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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2021, 10:02:33 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 25, 2021, 08:26:59 AM
Perception often trumps reality, at least for a time.  
Literally my least-favorite saying of all-time.  
"Perception is reality" placates the ignorance of the many.  Screw that.  The majority can be wrong and often is. 
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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2021, 10:53:55 AM »
It's not some saying, it's reality, in many fields.

Reality could be you are the best employee in your group, but perception by the manager is that Joe is the best, and he gets the promotion.

Welcome to the real world, one of perception, flawed, human perception.
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2021, 11:32:02 PM »
That place of business isn't going to stay in business, then.  
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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2021, 09:19:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 25, 2021, 11:32:02 PM
That place of business isn't going to stay in business, then. 
Yes, they will, for decades and decades.  I speak from very personal experience.

The Real World is built of perception, not Reality.  The stock market can be another example of that.
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« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2021, 10:17:31 AM »
everyone's perception is a bit different
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« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2021, 01:39:54 PM »
Folks think of large companies as some highly efficient cut throat operation where everyone works hard and it's all efficient.

Ha.

They made a movie that is far far more realistic.

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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2021, 07:00:33 PM »
FtBobs (remember him?) used to say he collected "eras".  He always insisted the only metric was total number of wins.  I once did a bunch of research and realized what we call "college football" wasn't anything like much of the early days.  
The rules were radically different and varied from game to game.  Michigan got a lot of wins while the Indian wars were still being fought.  Since there weren't many universities with football teams, a lot of their wins were over high school teams or independent "club teams".  OU and Texas started playing before Oklahoma statehood when OU was just a territorial college in Indian Territory.  OU lost a lot of those.  Most years there weren't enough players to make a team so they got local guys who didn't attend the university.  In fact, it wasn't until in the 1930's that OU required football players to be students and Texas followed a few years after.  I imagine it was similar elsewhere.
It was also in the 1930's football went from a regional to a national sport with more consistent rules.  
The next big era was after WWII when the soldiers came home and the GI Bill allowed many of them to attend college.  Proximity was not as big an issue so players weren't limited to the local university.  Personally, this is where I start taking things seriously.  I was born in 1951 so its also a lifetime thing I guess.
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« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2021, 08:03:03 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on July 27, 2021, 07:00:33 PM
FtBobs (remember him?) used to say he collected "eras".  He always insisted the only metric was total number of wins.  I once did a bunch of research and realized what we call "college football" wasn't anything like much of the early days. 
The rules were radically different and varied from game to game.  Michigan got a lot of wins while the Indian wars were still being fought.  Since there weren't many universities with football teams, a lot of their wins were over high school teams or independent "club teams".  OU and Texas started playing before Oklahoma statehood when OU was just a territorial college in Indian Territory.  OU lost a lot of those.  Most years there weren't enough players to make a team so they got local guys who didn't attend the university.  In fact, it wasn't until in the 1930's that OU required football players to be students and Texas followed a few years after.  I imagine it was similar elsewhere.
It was also in the 1930's football went from a regional to a national sport with more consistent rules. 
The next big era was after WWII when the soldiers came home and the GI Bill allowed many of them to attend college.  Proximity was not as big an issue so players weren't limited to the local university.  Personally, this is where I start taking things seriously.  I was born in 1951 so its also a lifetime thing I guess.
I was born in 1954, and I support your analysis.
The bobs was something else!  One could never out-argue him, and I speak from much personal experience!  :)
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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2021, 07:48:53 AM »
We dinner at Bones last night, which was pretty good (and very expensive), and this was on the wall next to us:



That guy probably weighs 190 or so?  They had neat photos like this on their walls, but the place was slammed with other folks wanting to spend a lot of money on a steak.

$323 for two of us after tip.
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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2021, 08:01:23 AM »
too rich for me

I'd need a buyer
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2021, 08:12:12 AM »
We went more for the experience than the food, I think, probably won't be back.  It's the highly "known" place for steaks around here, seemed like we should try it.

The bottle of wine was $85, a Pomerol, it was excellent anyway.  Like most pricey places, the individual items looked reasonably priced but everything is a la carte.

It's a movers and shakers place I think, packed on a Tuesday night.
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2021, 08:12:31 AM »
Quote from: Thumper on July 27, 2021, 07:00:33 PM
FtBobs (remember him?) used to say he collected "eras".  He always insisted the only metric was total number of wins.  I once did a bunch of research and realized what we call "college football" wasn't anything like much of the early days. 
The rules were radically different and varied from game to game.  Michigan got a lot of wins while the Indian wars were still being fought.  Since there weren't many universities with football teams, a lot of their wins were over high school teams or independent "club teams".  OU and Texas started playing before Oklahoma statehood when OU was just a territorial college in Indian Territory.  OU lost a lot of those.  Most years there weren't enough players to make a team so they got local guys who didn't attend the university.  In fact, it wasn't until in the 1930's that OU required football players to be students and Texas followed a few years after.  I imagine it was similar elsewhere.
It was also in the 1930's football went from a regional to a national sport with more consistent rules. 
The next big era was after WWII when the soldiers came home and the GI Bill allowed many of them to attend college.  Proximity was not as big an issue so players weren't limited to the local university.  Personally, this is where I start taking things seriously.  I was born in 1951 so its also a lifetime thing I guess.
The Western Conference started in 1895 and one of the rules it made in 1905 was that you had to be a student to play football, and that you would need to have one year of residence at the school to do so (automatic redshirt*).

This was one of the reasons Michigan left the conference for a decade. Some say Michigan withdrew, while others say the conference booted them.

* The B1G almost brought this back in 2015, but ultimately decided not to.
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2021, 08:59:18 AM »
1905 brought a lot of changes.  There were 19 deaths that year and Theodore Roosevelt threatened to ban the game if it weren't made safer.  62 schools met and decided to form an external governing body to make the rules.  So the IAAUS was formed in 1906 and renamed the NCAA in 1910.  Here we are a century later and the NCAA may be near it's end at least as far as football goes.

The NCAA rules didn't seem to make it out to the plains for awhile.  I remember reading about OU winning a game where the ball went into a creek and a player swam it past the goal line.  Now that could have made for some interesting rules.  "Team A has won the coin toss.  Do you want downstream or upstream?"  Shoulder pads would include personal flotation devices.

I do wish the sportsmanship of some of the early days carried on.  There was a period in the OU-Texas rivalry where members of the losing team would carry members of the winning team on their shoulders for a victory lap of the field.

All of this is to say all those early years of football wouldn't be recognizable to us today and wouldn't be comparing apples to apples. 
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Re: The Club of Helmets
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2021, 09:06:28 AM »
When I was in school, freshmen played on the freshman team.  They had to wait a year to play Varsity.  And it was unusual for a soph to start.  If a junior started he was a near great player relatively.
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