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Topic: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)

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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #140 on: October 02, 2023, 12:55:43 PM »
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #141 on: October 02, 2023, 04:46:43 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 01, 2023, 08:57:28 AM
I still think nbody is as good as some teams last season. 
Late to this, but this is the kind of season I enjoy. 
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #142 on: October 02, 2023, 05:54:12 PM »
Jeem's squad really has beaten everyone that bad....


https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1708858658430574883?s=20
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #143 on: October 02, 2023, 05:55:14 PM »
JJ #2 QB in FBS for opponent adjusted EPA 


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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #144 on: October 02, 2023, 08:14:36 PM »
So you're telling me to lay the 21 on Michigan on Saturday. 
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #145 on: October 03, 2023, 07:02:37 AM »
I don't think it's gonna be too pretty.
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #146 on: October 03, 2023, 09:18:53 AM »
Net points per drive - which removes garbage time and only counts FBS vs FBS.

Michigan #1 overall (#5 O and #1 D).

Maryland 6th, Ohio State 12th, Penn State 13th.


https://www.bcftoys.com/2023-ppd
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #147 on: October 03, 2023, 09:25:12 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 03, 2023, 09:18:53 AM
Net points per drive - which removes garbage time and only counts FBS vs FBS.

Michigan #1 overall (#5 O and #1 D).

Maryland 6th, Ohio State 12th, Penn State 13th.


https://www.bcftoys.com/2023-ppd

Eh, it still counts games against shit FBS teams, so I don't find it particularly interesting.  Cross-reference that with some sort of power index that takes into account quality of opponent, and then it might mean something.
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #148 on: October 03, 2023, 10:06:52 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 03, 2023, 09:25:12 AM
Eh, it still counts games against shit FBS teams, so I don't find it particularly interesting.  Cross-reference that with some sort of power index that takes into account quality of opponent, and then it might mean something.
I'm not sure uf they use it to do a ranking but the College Football Nerds use a model that compares yards per play to the opponent's average. 

Ie, if Ohio State and Michigan both rush for six yards per carry but tOSU does it against a team that usually allows eight that is bad while if Michigan does it against a team that usually allows three that is good.

I'm not sure about everything in their model but I like the methodology at least in theory. 
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #149 on: October 03, 2023, 10:25:37 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 03, 2023, 10:06:52 AM
I'm not sure uf they use it to do a ranking but the College Football Nerds use a model that compares yards per play to the opponent's average.

Ie, if Ohio State and Michigan both rush for six yards per carry but tOSU does it against a team that usually allows eight that is bad while if Michigan does it against a team that usually allows three that is good.

I'm not sure about everything in their model but I like the methodology at least in theory.

Yeah I like that methodology.

I also like how you very politically selected your example to show tOSU as the one that did poorly, and Michigan as the one doing well.

Or, are you just being sneaky and trying to lull the Wolverine fans into a false sense of security?  You sneaky bastage!
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #150 on: October 03, 2023, 10:30:33 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 03, 2023, 10:25:37 AM

Or, are you just being sneaky and trying to lull the Wolverine fans into a false sense of security?  You sneaky bastage!

Few fan bases are as paranoid as Michigan's.  There's no security when it comes to football.
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #151 on: October 03, 2023, 10:40:44 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 03, 2023, 10:25:37 AM
Yeah I like that methodology.

I also like how you very politically selected your example to show tOSU as the one that did poorly, and Michigan as the one doing well.

Or, are you just being sneaky and trying to lull the Wolverine fans into a false sense of security?  You sneaky bastage!
LoL, it was just "political", using an example that looks bad for my team seems better.

I was watching them last night and one thing they said about Michigan was that on the defensive side their model may underrate Michigan. 

Defensively their model compares the yards per play rushing and passing that a given team allowed to that opponent's average yards per play rushing and passing. They mentioned, however, that if your opponent is only averaging say 3 yards per rush, it becomes *REALLY* difficult to beat that by much. 
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #152 on: October 03, 2023, 11:32:10 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 03, 2023, 10:25:37 AM
Or, are you just being sneaky and trying to lull the Wolverine fans into a false sense of security?  You sneaky bastage!
:67: Don't you have some Sooners/Aggies or Apple products to troll?
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Re: The Ballad of Harbaugh and Haarberg (SOC 9/30/23)
« Reply #153 on: October 03, 2023, 11:43:21 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 03, 2023, 11:32:10 AM
:67: Don't you have some Sooners/Aggies or Apple products to troll?
Yeah I think we have some kind of game this weekend against some annoying team that wears a shade of red.  Don't recall who, I'm sure it's not a big deal.
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