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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2018, 06:31:12 PM »

"Nobody has ever truly stopped the Wishbone," he said. "There's a point to where people have lost interest in the Wishbone. But nobody ever really successfully stopped it."
I think Miami beating OU three straight years probably put a dent in the wishbone.  Then that very next year, OU lost 4 games, scoring single digits in 3 of the losses.  They were all top teams, so with the right talent, I think defending the wishbone became a known thing.
But that's just guesswork supported by weak evidence.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2018, 07:47:52 PM »
Triple option or option offenses are always held to a higher standard, MNC, or it doesn't work . Losing to those Miami teams, twice on the road is hardly an indictment.   Yes, they didn't win 34 in a row from 85-87 but they were much more successful than umpteen pro style offenses .

Nobody suggests anybody scrap the spread or pro style after being humbled .


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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2018, 07:52:07 PM »
Go listen to Bill Walsh doing color of a 92 OB, Miami manhandling an outmatched Nebraska team, he's declaring option football dead, beyond repair.  I know it wasn't a wishbone offense, but good thing T.O. didn't listen to the Genius .    And I love Bill Walsh.

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2018, 08:13:45 PM »
Shutting out Nebraska back then was a big deal.  And I differentiate between wishbone and option.  The option out of the 'I' is a whole different animal than 3 backs and 1 WR.  

On the one hand, pro-style offenses gained popularity because of the logical conclusion that being able to run and pass was better than only running.  However, and this is true to this day - if outmatched teams use the option to gain an advantage, and the option allows them to stay close and/or win games they shouldn't, then shouldn't a very talented team do well using it?

Sure, it's great if the other team doesn't know what kind of play you're going to run, but isn't it better if they do know and can't stop it?
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2018, 10:41:20 PM »
I agree wtih OAM, the wishbone had run its course and, given equal or better talent, it was getting stopped.  No shame in that, it was fantastic while it thrived.  Defenses evolve to stop-- or at least hinder-- new offensive schemes.  Aside from rules that have been put in place to produce more offense, this is a normal balance that is known and understood.


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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2018, 12:01:51 AM »
only thing that comforts me some is:
That Alabama has a second string that's better than the first string of 95% of CFB programs? 

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #146 on: July 26, 2018, 09:29:55 AM »
That Alabama has a second string that's better than the first string of 95% of CFB programs?
I'd certainly find that comforting, were I an Alabama fan.

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #147 on: July 26, 2018, 12:14:04 PM »
alabama's roster is loaded, no denying that, and very likely the best top to bottom.

but i don't buy that it's worlds better than several other schools.

at best (from bama's perspective) it's still within a marginal % for the next 10-20 teams such that they could have a better than 50% chance to win based on other factors (location, injuries, prior opp, etc.).

i'm not in denial that bama is in a major position of power. nor am i delusional to think this will last indefinitely. i just want it to last as long as it can.

this year could be that 'oh no, we suck again' 10-2 ( :93:) type season, though, and if it turns out to be, my guess is because of the secondary, not qb.

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #148 on: July 26, 2018, 12:19:36 PM »
this year could be that 'oh no, we suck again' 10-2 ( :93:) type season, though, and if it turns out to be, my guess is because of the secondary, not qb.
Cool, hopefully you guys figure it out late in the year again and demolish us in the Citrus Bowl

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #149 on: July 26, 2018, 12:20:45 PM »
Cool, hopefully you guys figure it out late in the year again and demolish us in the Citrus Bowl
it's a good consolation prize to be sure.

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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #150 on: July 26, 2018, 01:04:21 PM »
F'ing Saban.
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #151 on: July 26, 2018, 01:27:40 PM »
I thought you can't spell Citrus without "UT" right?


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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #152 on: July 26, 2018, 04:47:53 PM »
Shutting out Nebraska back then was a big deal.  And I differentiate between wishbone and option.  The option out of the 'I' is a whole different animal than 3 backs and 1 WR.  
sure it was a big deal
the wishbone and the option out of the I are different, but not wholly different
the 3rd back is called the "wing"  check Johnny Rogers winning the Hypesman
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Re: The 80% Club
« Reply #153 on: July 26, 2018, 04:52:52 PM »
I think Miami beating OU three straight years probably put a dent in the wishbone.  Then that very next year, OU lost 4 games, scoring single digits in 3 of the losses.  They were all top teams, so with the right talent, I think defending the wishbone became a known thing.
But that's just guesswork supported by weak evidence.
Miami's defense at home beat many offenses, not just the wishbone or the I as Marq pointed out.
I'll defer to the Pirate's opinion on offenses over guesswork supported by weak evidence.
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