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Topic: The 'United' States of America

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #112 on: June 23, 2024, 01:34:47 PM »
Moving one county over allows you to maintain seeing your friends, keeping the same job, etc.
Moving out of state is a whole big thing.

COUNTY RIGHTS > STATES' RIGHTS
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #113 on: June 23, 2024, 02:12:35 PM »



Aw yes. Pride of Waldo, Ohio. 

Basically, a hot dog in disc form. 





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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #114 on: June 23, 2024, 02:20:41 PM »
Moving one county over allows you to maintain seeing your friends, keeping the same job, etc.
Moving out of state is a whole big thing.

COUNTY RIGHTS > STATES' RIGHTS
Just what additional duties under your plan would a county take over thats currently being done at the state level
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #115 on: June 23, 2024, 02:36:19 PM »

Every county that Fro moves to could simply mandate by law that he is to be promptly escorted to the county line, with a "don't come back now, ya hear" as a parting gift. 

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #116 on: June 23, 2024, 02:50:08 PM »
Or they could decree that OAM is King ALL HAIL OAM
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #117 on: June 23, 2024, 02:54:31 PM »
Yeah, but that's not nearly as likely. 

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #118 on: June 23, 2024, 03:18:45 PM »
Just what additional duties under your plan would a county take over thats currently being done at the state level
Lawmaking
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #119 on: June 23, 2024, 05:16:42 PM »
If someone gave me a clean sheet and said "Rewrite the Constitution", I'm not sure I'd do much better.  Some of our issues are inherent in having overly large entities.  Some are due to that urban-rural schism I mentioned.  Some are due to conniving slick slimey people seeing politics as a way to make a lot of money etc.

My model might improve a few things and make others worse.  And some ideas I like would probably turn out not to work as intended.

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« Reply #120 on: June 23, 2024, 08:06:34 PM »
It's not a flaw for a document to fail to be timeless.

If we could dig up the same people that created the constitution and put them in the present day, I'm sure they'd do a better job, once they got their bearings.  But if you could take someone from then and drop them into today, they'd be overwhelmed and couldn't wrap their head around it.

If they redid the constitution today, I think the 2nd amendment would be worded MUCH differently.  Forming a militia and being wary of your government made sense when it was musket vs musket.  When a trained soldier could be matched up against an 8 year old who could shoot a squirrel between the eyes from 50 yards.  

But the founding fathers would look at our country's arsenal of space lasers, floating airport cities, and hell, 1 apache helicopter and they'd focus on bearing arms for home defense REAL quick.  

Imagine New Mexico being the most populace state.  Imagine Manhattan, KS being the largest city.  They just couldn't have forecasted the radical growth and differences of today.

Why did we stop amending the constitution in the first place?  Wasn't it Jefferson who said we should take a long look at things and make changes every 20 years?  We haven't had an amendment in over 240 years!  What has happened is that in not making any changes to it makes people consider it a perfect document.  It isn't.  No document is.  
When you don't make changes, it becomes stagnant and does not evolve with the times.  And that's how you get people claiming their semi-automatic guns that aren't for hunting nor home defense having the constitution on their side.  It's silly.  
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #121 on: June 23, 2024, 08:38:10 PM »
It's not a flaw for a document to fail to be timeless.

If we could dig up the same people that created the constitution and put them in the present day, I'm sure they'd do a better job, once they got their bearings.  But if you could take someone from then and drop them into today, they'd be overwhelmed and couldn't wrap their head around it.

If they redid the constitution today, I think the 2nd amendment would be worded MUCH differently.  Forming a militia and being wary of your government made sense when it was musket vs musket.  When a trained soldier could be matched up against an 8 year old who could shoot a squirrel between the eyes from 50 yards. 

But the founding fathers would look at our country's arsenal of space lasers, floating airport cities, and hell, 1 apache helicopter and they'd focus on bearing arms for home defense REAL quick. 

Imagine New Mexico being the most populace state.  Imagine Manhattan, KS being the largest city.  They just couldn't have forecasted the radical growth and differences of today.

Why did we stop amending the constitution in the first place?  Wasn't it Jefferson who said we should take a long look at things and make changes every 20 years?  We haven't had an amendment in over 240 years!  What has happened is that in not making any changes to it makes people consider it a perfect document.  It isn't.  No document is. 
When you don't make changes, it becomes stagnant and does not evolve with the times.  And that's how you get people claiming their semi-automatic guns that aren't for hunting nor home defense having the constitution on their side.  It's silly. 

Not correct
Of the 27 amendments only 12 were passed at the start of this country with the others occuring during the 19th and 20th centuries
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #122 on: June 23, 2024, 08:40:27 PM »
I would never have a gun for home defense that wasnt semi automatic
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #123 on: June 23, 2024, 09:15:23 PM »
Not correct
Of the 27 amendments only 12 were passed at the start of this country with the others occuring during the 19th and 20th centuries
Thank you, I don't know why I wrote that.  
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #124 on: June 23, 2024, 09:22:14 PM »
I would never have a gun for home defense that wasnt semi automatic
Yes, this makes sense.  Despite most intruders having no gun, the ease of a semi automatic gun would be helpful. 

I just meant gun vs gun and a somewhat-level plane. 
Not an AR-15 vs a tomahawk missile. 

I'm personally prepared for an intruder sans gun.  My home defense system is a hammer in my right hand and a knife in my left.  And if I came home and caught someone in the act, I'm coming in and locking the door behind me.
I know I'm not any kind of badass, but I'd be highly motivated for violence and thieves are cowards.  And I'd probably outweigh him by 100+ lbs.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #125 on: June 23, 2024, 09:47:09 PM »
Yes, this makes sense.  Despite most intruders having no gun, the ease of a semi automatic gun would be helpful. 

I just meant gun vs gun and a somewhat-level plane. 
Not an AR-15 vs a tomahawk missile. 

I'm personally prepared for an intruder sans gun.  My home defense system is a hammer in my right hand and a knife in my left.  And if I came home and caught someone in the act, I'm coming in and locking the door behind me.
I know I'm not any kind of badass, but I'd be highly motivated for violence and thieves are cowards.  And I'd probably outweigh him by 100+ lbs.
Ive never had to face an intruder but if I did I would want them to know very quickly that I dont fight fair and I will be packing enough fire power to make them wish they had picked another house.
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