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847badgerfan

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2024, 11:07:47 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 21, 2024, 10:32:08 AM
I think the point OAM is making is that it becomes increasingly difficult to vote with your feet when tons of power decisions that affect you occur in state legislatures and an order of magnitude MORE happen in Congress.

I could feasibly live in LA, Orange, San Diego, Riverside counties, or even a small sliver of San Bernardino, and still work in the same job I work today--especially with WFH several days a week. Traffic might suck, but I could swing it. But I can't work where I do and escape Sacramento. And even if I got my company to make me a fully remote worker where I could escape Sacramento, I still can't escape DC.
Yep, nobody could escape DC and still live in the US.

You're in a different spot than we were too. You live in Orange County, a bastion of its own.

We lived in Crook County, so that hung over us in Palatine.

Palatine, Arlington Heights, Rolling Meadows and Barrington wanted to secede from Crook County to form Lincoln County. Almost every other municipality opposed, and it was shot down.

So, we could not escape Crook. And now, look at what's happened to the collar counties, which used to be strongly conservative.




This was 2020. As you can see, we had no choice but leave Illinois. McHenry was on the verge of flipping too.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2024, 11:09:29 AM »
Yeah, Orange County is about as "Texas" as it gets in California.  Nice place to live, other than the weather. ;)
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2024, 11:14:37 AM »
I spent a week in Calaveras County in CA and it really did look like Texas.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2024, 11:19:36 AM »
We could have moved to Indiana, I guess. Lots of people are doing that, from Illinois.

But my wife wanted warm weather all the time, and we're not allowed to move to Austin, so here we are.

One of my buddies from the Marina up North bought a house ON Lake Travis. He didn't know he wasn't allowed to move there, so he did. And he's got serious $$$$$$.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2024, 11:22:07 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 21, 2024, 11:19:36 AM
We could have moved to Indiana, I guess. Lots of people are doing that, from Illinois.

But my wife wanted warm weather all the time, and we're not allowed to move to Austin, so here we are.

One of my buddies from the Marina up North bought a house ON Lake Travis. He didn't know he wasn't allowed to move there, so he did. And he's got serious $$$$$$.
Hope he's on Deep Water on Travis, lakes around here are getting close to their all-time lows.  We need a couple hurricanes to squat over CenTex for a week or two.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2024, 11:24:01 AM »
Yeah, he's deep. He's got a 34 Cobalt and some Yamahas on his lifts.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2024, 11:30:46 AM »
Some folks want a "Convention of the States" to change things up.  It sounds a bit risky to me.

I can't think of a Constitutional Amendment that would pass today the way things are.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2024, 11:31:30 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 21, 2024, 11:24:01 AM
Yeah, he's deep. He's got a 34 Cobalt and some Yamahas on his lifts.
Cool, gimme his name and address and I'll go keep his boat dock company... err, I mean, meet a new friend. :)
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2024, 11:32:21 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 21, 2024, 11:30:46 AM
Some folks want a "Convention of the States" to change things up.  It sounds a bit risky to me.

I can't think of a Constitutional Amendment that would pass today the way things are.
not even giving women the right to vote?
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2024, 11:34:21 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 21, 2024, 10:50:21 AM
Sure you can. You can move to another country.  I cant think of a state law in Texas that makes me want to escape.  Now California is another matter. So many weird laws exist in California that yes I would consider moving from there.

But rather then trying to hide from a state law why not change the state governing body.  Its called democracy
Well moving to another country is VERY, very hard. And with the caveat of keeping my same job, I'm not sure they'd offer to make me a remote worker in some other country. And to be honest, as much as I complain about our government, it's not like there's some perfect alternative out there that I'd want to live. If I were to ever try to live in another country, it would be about the culture and beauty of the place, and I'd probably have to hold my nose for the government I'd live under (as I do currently in California lol). 

BTW I'd have about as much luck turning California more libertarian as a Californian transplant would have turning Texas more liberal. Using the 2020 election as a proxy, Biden carried it 63.5% to 34.3% With 40M people in this state, that ratio would mean that 25.4M people here are liberal. I'd have to change 5.4M minds to get them to flip. 

As opposed to things being more local as OAM/utee point out, I already live in Orange County, which is basically California conservative. If more of the powers were local, I could live here with less impact from Sacramento on my life. 
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2024, 11:35:38 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 21, 2024, 11:30:46 AM
Some folks want a "Convention of the States" to change things up.  It sounds a bit risky to me.

I can't think of a Constitutional Amendment that would pass today the way things are.
Maybe not but I also can't think of a Constitutional Amendment that would need to be passed.  The important stuff is already covered, and anything more should be decided at lower levels of government, as we've been discussing here.  

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2024, 11:39:03 AM »
A LOT of folks want term limits on Congress, and quite a few want the Equal Rights Amendment, and to repeal the Second Amendment, or modify it considerably.  Some want to modify the income tax amendment one way or the other (16).  And of course folks dislike the electoral college a lot.

I'm not of course saying anyone here wants any of those, but they are fairly to quite popular ideas.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2024, 11:39:48 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 21, 2024, 11:07:47 AM
Yep, nobody could escape DC and still live in the US.

You're in a different spot than we were too. You live in Orange County, a bastion of its own.

We lived in Crook County, so that hung over us in Palatine.

Palatine, Arlington Heights, Rolling Meadows and Barrington wanted to secede from Crook County to form Lincoln County. Almost every other municipality opposed, and it was shot down.

So, we could not escape Crook. And now, look at what's happened to the collar counties, which used to be strongly conservative.




This was 2020. As you can see, we had no choice but leave Illinois. McHenry was on the verge of flipping too.

I grew up in DuPage, which at the time was about as WASPy and conservative as they come. 
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2024, 11:42:34 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 21, 2024, 11:39:03 AM
A LOT of folks want term limits on Congress, and quite a few want the Equal Rights Amendment, and to repeal the Second Amendment, or modify it considerably.  Some want to modify the income tax amendment one way or the other (16).  And of course folks dislike the electoral college a lot.

I'm not of course saying anyone here wants any of those, but they are fairly to quite popular ideas.
But they're all controversial with plenty of opposition.  There's good reason why they wouldn't (and likely shouldn't) be passed.

You're not talking about inalienable rights here, you're talking about details.

The only one I could see needing to be passed at the National level, is of course term limits.  But there are just as many arguments for as there are against.  It's no slam dunk.
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