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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #210 on: June 25, 2024, 02:51:28 PM »
If you buy humans instead of stealing/slaughtering them all, you sleep better at night.
If you buy humans instead of stealing/slaughtering them all, you sleep better at night?
The entire practice was horrible, end to end.  I just thought you might appreciate having your misapprehensions corrected, I see that apparently is incorrect, you prefer ignorance.  I'm not surprised.


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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #211 on: June 25, 2024, 02:56:32 PM »
So if the Africans who sold slaves to Europeans/Amercians told "us" no and kept them all, we would have left with empty ships?

Mkay. 

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #212 on: June 25, 2024, 02:58:34 PM »
If you care to read the links I posted, you MIGHT come to understand the dynamics involved.  Or not.  It might get too complicated.  Or boring.

And I sleep pretty well at night, in the main.  

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« Reply #213 on: June 25, 2024, 03:07:13 PM »
If you care to read the links I posted, you MIGHT come to understand the dynamics involved.  Or not.  It might get too complicated.  Or boring.

And I sleep pretty well at night, in the main. 
Direct quote from your link:

 It is also fair to say that had there been no European demand for African slave labor in the New World, there would not have been any market for an African labor supply.
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« Reply #214 on: June 25, 2024, 03:08:00 PM »
I guess the Africans should have been mad at the Native Americans for being such crummy slaves?
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #215 on: June 25, 2024, 03:09:06 PM »
native Americans kept slaves sometimes instead of murdering other tribes

this wasn't just some story of evil white men from Europe that had guns
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #216 on: June 25, 2024, 03:12:47 PM »
native Americans kept slaves sometimes instead of murdering other tribes

this wasn't just some story of evil white men from Europe that had guns
Hell, you could leave race out of it.  The trans-Atlantic slave trade to the new world/colonies was so sinful because of the sheer volume of it.

You're comparing bands of tribes having squabbles and taking like 12 guys as slaves compared to hundreds of thousands to a million+ taken from across an ocean.
C'mon, man.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #217 on: June 25, 2024, 03:14:28 PM »
taking 12 slaves is OK???

WTF?
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #218 on: June 25, 2024, 03:15:21 PM »
taking 12 slaves is OK???

WTF?
You should work at Fox News.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #219 on: June 25, 2024, 03:17:29 PM »
volume is sinful?

or just bigger number, bigger sin?
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2024, 03:17:34 PM »
Direct quote from your link:

It is also fair to say that had there been no European demand for African slave labor in the New World, there would not have been any market for an African labor supply.
This is pretty obvious.  But Africans still had slavery, just on a much smaller scale.

The practice of slavery in the New World was wide spread, and horrible, from start to finish, probably worse than the practice in most other situations.

And the Spainish did enslave native Americans, often, generally in South America, and generally to obtain precious metals.   Spain became a world power on that basis.

Some native Americans in North American had their own slaves at times, and of course many fought for the South.  History is messy, and often does not rhyme at all.


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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #221 on: June 25, 2024, 03:18:56 PM »
volume is sinful?

or just bigger number, bigger sin?
In lieu of race, volume can dictate the level of badnessocity.  

You should REALLY work for Fox News.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #222 on: June 25, 2024, 03:20:28 PM »
There is a reason slave TRADE was outlawed in Europe and the US well before the US Civil War (1808 in the US).  It became widely viewed as barbaric.

So, in the US, slavery was often viewed as "OK", but the Atlantic slave trade was not.

And had there  been no Civil War, slavery would have persisted in the US for decades, I think, perhaps even to 1900.


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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #223 on: June 25, 2024, 03:21:22 PM »
So if the Africans who sold slaves to Europeans/Amercians told "us" no and kept them all, we would have left with empty ships?

Mkay. 


This is the crux vs the "Africans are to blame for new world slavery" crowd.

Everything you just posted is true, but has nothing to do with our conversation.  This is the key.  Hey Africans, either you sell us all those humans or we'll just take them and take you as well.


Easy choice.
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