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Topic: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money

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utee94

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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2021, 09:47:54 AM »
that's very true about bagmen.

and it's not an ethical or moral argument, it's a matter of competitive advantage. and i'm fully aware bama will be one of the ones taking the most advantage of a skewed system. i just don't like it, not that it's "wrong".

edit: also fully aware it's not really a level playing field as is, and i'm open to address that.

As far as recruiting enticement, for decades the playing field has been tilted heavily in favor of the cheater schools with a strong bag game.

Now, the field will be tilted heavily in favor of the richest schools.

In some cases, those overlap.  In others, they don't.

My comments on ethical involvement were targeted specifically at schools that have great wealth, but have been unwilling to engage in bagman tactics.  Now that impediment is removed-- the players can be openly paid, and there's no ethical or moral reason for boosters not to do so.

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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2021, 09:48:52 AM »
This shouldn't be allowed it'll screw everything up to hell and back.Just start the minor leagues already and be done with it.Let them make money off their likeness and such.But with this crap conference play and fair play will be a thing of the past
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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2021, 09:49:08 AM »
The bagmen won't be going away. They will still influence.
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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2021, 09:50:34 AM »
Maybe. Anyone can enter the portal (I believe) which frees them up to hear from other coaches, and I'm not sure what limits there are now on NIL stuff, boosters, etc. Say he goes to Texas and has a good year. TAMU boosters may want to entice him to leave, because that would hurt Texas and help TAMU, whether he sits out a year or not.

I mean, I can see why that's good for A&M, but you haven't made a case  for how sitting out a year would be good for the player himself.

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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2021, 09:50:57 AM »
yup. what happens if the kid blows out his knee and can never play again? 
This is exactly why the playoffs shouldn't be expanded,more games,more risk
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2021, 09:53:09 AM »
The bagmen won't be going away. They will still influence.

It's pretty obvious at this point that the money to be gained above the table dwarfs whatever the bagmen are capable of mustering.  They'll die off simply because they're no longer needed. Their only purpose was to hide payments under the table.  That purpose is now irrelevant.  The paradigm shift is massive.

For example, we know that Cam Newton got around $200,000 of dirty money.  With this NIL deal, even backup offensive linemen at Texas will be getting a minimum of $200,000 if they stay 4 years.  

And again, I'm not arguing this is good for college football.  But there's no going back.

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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2021, 09:54:42 AM »
I mean, I can see why that's good for A&M, but you haven't made a case  for how sitting out a year would be good for the player himself.
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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2021, 09:58:36 AM »
$$$$$$$$

How?  Why?  His current NIL deal is already in danger of drying up, specifically because he's NOT playing football games.   There is no compelling argument here, for sitting out a year in-between transfers. 

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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2021, 10:00:47 AM »
It's pretty obvious at this point that the money to be gained above the table dwarfs whatever the bagmen are capable of mustering.  They'll die off simply because they're no longer needed. Their only purpose was to hide payments under the table.  That purpose is now irrelevant.  The paradigm shift is massive.

For example, we know that Cam Newton got around $200,000 of dirty money.  With this NIL deal, even backup offensive linemen at Texas will be getting a minimum of $200,000 if they stay 4 years. 

And again, I'm not arguing this is good for college football.  But there's no going back.
Think about taxes. The bagmen will still be there.
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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2021, 10:05:04 AM »
Think about taxes. The bagmen will still be there.
NIL Booster: So we're going to give you $200,000 to play backup o-line, what do you think about that?

O-line Player: Well, there's gonna be taxes on that, so it's really only gonna be about $130,000.  The bagman is offering me $3.50 and a box of twinkies, seeing as I'm a 3* who is destined to be a backup o-lineman.

NIL Booster: So... uhhh.... we've got a deal, then?

O-line Player: Ummm, yup!



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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2021, 10:08:06 AM »
How?  Why?  His current NIL deal is already in danger of drying up, specifically because he's NOT playing football games.  There is no compelling argument here, for sitting out a year in-between transfers.
Because it is simply a matter of dollars. He will get X amount of dollars to continue to play at one place. If another school comes up with >X amount of dollars to transfer, he can still come out ahead even by not playing. 

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2021, 10:10:38 AM »
Because it is simply a matter of dollars. He will get X amount of dollars to continue to play at one place. If another school comes up with >X amount of dollars to transfer, he can still come out ahead even by not playing.
Yeah... I think you're just making up stuff to worry about.  If something like that ever happens, I'll let you say "I told you so"  but it is way, way down the list of problems and challenges stemming from NIL.

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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2021, 10:13:28 AM »
Yeah... I think you're just making up stuff to worry about.  If something like that ever happens, I'll let you say "I told you so"  but it is way, way down the list of problems and challenges stemming from NIL.
Heh, well, if you are betting on college football boosters being sane and rational, I have some bad news for you...

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Re: Texas boosters offering Quinn Ewers "1st rd NFL Draft" NIL Money
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2021, 10:14:39 AM »
This shouldn't be allowed it'll screw everything up to hell and back.Just start the minor leagues already and be done with it.Let them make money off their likeness and such.But with this crap conference play and fair play will be a thing of the past
I love this coming from an OSU fan whose shiny helmet has already tilted the playing field HEAVILY in your team's favor... 

What, are you worried this'll dilute the massive advantage OSU already enjoys? Can't have that! 

Sounds like old money complaining about new money.

 

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