header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

 (Read 24599 times)

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 72146
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #294 on: July 27, 2021, 02:45:18 PM »
Bilas suggests huge move for ACC | The Clemson Insider

What if the SEC and ACC basically merge?

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25484
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #295 on: July 27, 2021, 02:48:07 PM »
Bilas suggests huge move for ACC | The Clemson Insider

What if the SEC and ACC basically merge?
Then the B1G and PAC have no choice but to do the same.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 480
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #296 on: July 27, 2021, 02:52:55 PM »
Didn't Texas and OU take a larger share anyways?  So you'd have to calculate the payout based on not having to share more revenue with TX/OU, and maybe calculate how much a UH and Cincinnati would bring to the table.  But more importantly you'd have to compare that to how much the AAC would be able to payout.  I'm betting that the AAC would still not be able to match what a revised Big 12 would bring. 

Also I know the regional model for conferences is mostly dead but it still makes a lot of sense for the non-revenue sports (womens sports, olympic sports, etc).  I think we will at some point see football and mens BB partitioned out into their own conference with the other sports settling into a different model.  Call it a hybrid model.  Of course the bigger schools will have more money so they can continue to pony up more travel expenses. 
No, the revenue was shared equally.  Each team retained their 2nd & 3rd tier rights and Texas got more for theirs with the LHN.  OU didn't get as much as Texas but more than the other 8.
The AAC has an unequal pay distribution with UCF being the top earner at around $7 million.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8941
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #297 on: July 27, 2021, 02:56:30 PM »
What if the Big 10 jumps in and offers any one of ISU, KU?  You telling me that at that point it won't be an abandon ship type scenario?  Every man for himself right? 
As covered above, I think ISU is a non-starter.  I wholeheartedly agree with @betarhoalphadelta that not only do they not bring enough revenue to the table, but also, leaving them to their "non-power conference" fate actually helps the B1G by making Iowa stronger.  

Kansas is possibly a different story.  Their football is abysmal but their basketball brand is one of the best in the nation.  Also, as @betarhoalphadelta also pointed out, taking them and leaving KSU to their "non-power conference" fate helps them in the same way that leaving ISU to their fate helps Iowa.  



medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8941
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #298 on: July 27, 2021, 02:58:24 PM »
They can add programs all they want but once you start losing the state schools it's over.  I guess maybe I need to look and see how Cincinnati and others compare in size and other metrics but I just don't see it. 
I'm not so sure, it depends for each school, on what offers are available.  Most would likely be better off staying together and trying to add other decent revenue schools in an effort to become the "Best of the Rest" after the remaining four (or less) "Power" conferences.  



medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8941
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #299 on: July 27, 2021, 03:01:37 PM »
The likelihood of the Rump 12 (trademark CWS) getting a TV deal they can live with is not good.  The Athletic did a deep dive on TV numbers and it is very telling.  Briefly, OU & Texas averaged about 3.5 million viewers per game.  The other 8 averaged about 880,000.  They calculated the remaining 8 teams TV value based on the current contract at about $12 mil per each team or less than half of what they are getting now.  The shares of bowl money without OU & TX will also be reduced.
This doesn't have anything to do with the quality of football these teams play.  There are some good teams and very good coaches.  Those coaches will be poached.  Mike Gundy and Matt Campbell turned down major P5 jobs.  They won't be able to if their salaries take major hits.
I agree with everything here except the idea that they can't get a TV deal that they "can live with".  They are going to have to.  Clearly they can't get anything like what they had, but they are going to be able to get something and they'll have to learn to make that work.  Best case scenario for them, I think, is to end up being the "Best of the Rest" conference after the remaining four (or less) Power leagues.  Assuming that the CFP expansion does happen they'd have a good shot to make it nearly every year especially if they maintain the idea of taking the top six league champs because with only four (or less) power leagues that leaves two spots for non-power conferences so they'd only have to be one of the top two non-Power leagues to snag a CFP slot.  

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12310
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #300 on: July 27, 2021, 03:01:59 PM »
As covered above, I think ISU is a non-starter.  I wholeheartedly agree with @betarhoalphadelta that not only do they not bring enough revenue to the table, but also, leaving them to their "non-power conference" fate actually helps the B1G by making Iowa stronger. 

Kansas is possibly a different story.  Their football is abysmal but their basketball brand is one of the best in the nation.  Also, as @betarhoalphadelta also pointed out, taking them and leaving KSU to their "non-power conference" fate helps them in the same way that leaving ISU to their fate helps Iowa. 
Yes...

Note that this isn't me saying that the B1G *should* take Kansas. They're about the only B12 team I'd consider at this point, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good decision.

But the decision matrix for Kansas is COMPLETELY different than the decision matrix for ISU, which I'm 100% against.

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8941
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #301 on: July 27, 2021, 03:04:18 PM »
Also I know the regional model for conferences is mostly dead but it still makes a lot of sense for the non-revenue sports (womens sports, olympic sports, etc).  I think we will at some point see football and mens BB partitioned out into their own conference with the other sports settling into a different model.  Call it a hybrid model.  Of course the bigger schools will have more money so they can continue to pony up more travel expenses. 
This might happen even for the bigger schools because it still costs money and because there is also the impact on the athletes.  If your women's volleyball team has a game against a school 200mi away that is a cheap bus ride there and back and takes a few hours each way.  If they have a game against a team 2,000mi away that is an expensive plane ride there and back and takes a LOT longer especially after you add in time and cost for the bus rides to/from the airports and security, etc.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8941
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #302 on: July 27, 2021, 03:07:13 PM »
Yes...

Note that this isn't me saying that the B1G *should* take Kansas. They're about the only B12 team I'd consider at this point, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good decision.

But the decision matrix for Kansas is COMPLETELY different than the decision matrix for ISU, which I'm 100% against.
I'm in the same place.  I don't need to do a deep dive on the numbers to figure out whether or not ISU is a good add.  They aren't and you can see that from 30,000'.  

Kansas . . .
They *MIGHT* be a good add but I'm not sure.  I'm leaning no, but if that were my decision to make (hopefully it is Barry Alvarez' decision to make) then I'd want some staffer to prepare an in-depth report analyzing it.  

Gigem

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2153
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #303 on: July 27, 2021, 03:10:53 PM »
No, the revenue was shared equally.  Each team retained their 2nd & 3rd tier rights and Texas got more for theirs with the LHN.  OU didn't get as much as Texas but more than the other 8.
The AAC has an unequal pay distribution with UCF being the top earner at around $7 million. 
BTW I know they will not be able to make up the lost revenue from TX/OU, I wanted to make that one clear.  


FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37790
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #304 on: July 27, 2021, 03:13:11 PM »
Kansas is a no, easily in my mind
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

Gigem

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2153
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #305 on: July 27, 2021, 03:15:30 PM »
I agree with everything here except the idea that they can't get a TV deal that they "can live with".  They are going to have to.  Clearly they can't get anything like what they had, but they are going to be able to get something and they'll have to learn to make that work.  Best case scenario for them, I think, is to end up being the "Best of the Rest" conference after the remaining four (or less) Power leagues.  Assuming that the CFP expansion does happen they'd have a good shot to make it nearly every year especially if they maintain the idea of taking the top six league champs because with only four (or less) power leagues that leaves two spots for non-power conferences so they'd only have to be one of the top two non-Power leagues to snag a CFP slot. 
There is one thing I mentioned in another thread WRT being able to get "the best of the rest".  They could possibly have an extra $20-40 MM in exit penalties from Tex/OU at their disposal.  

Maybe there is not as much value in the XII post-Texas/OU but there will still be value.  I honestly do not see the B1G taking either KU or ISU.  This whole thing is being driven by Football, and KU /ISU have zero to offer there.  Plus you have to consider that there are other more valuable programs out there so why waste a spot on one of those schools.  I'm thinking of ND and maybe an ACC team.  


Brutus Buckeye

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11253
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #306 on: July 27, 2021, 04:43:31 PM »
Kansas is always going to be there, and they will join the instant they are invited. 

No need to rush into anything with them. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 72146
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #307 on: July 27, 2021, 05:05:34 PM »
If somehow the SEC and ACC "merged", it could get interesting.  This could be merely the path to splitting P5 from G5.  You get a superconference or two with several divisions.


 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.