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Sorry, three pages ago now!

Did you see my original post two pages ago?  Lol, laid it out in great detail.

Yes, zero cross over games and you can do a pretty good job of protecting rivalries with divisions of 5 - in the post I made the only critical one that I sacrificed to the money gods was NW-Illinois as an annual game.  I did that because splitting those two up gives all conference members more access to the Chicagoland area, and there was talk of NW going east before because of their alumni in NYC/DC.  Also, putting NW in a division w/ ND would make sense with ND's concentration of fans in Chicago.

If you wanted to give a carve back exception to NW/Illinois where they could play a non-conference rivalry game in the 4 years they don't play each other, that would solve the problem.  Every other geographical rival in the B1G is protected in my proposed setup - unless I'm missing one.

I like no crossovers, it protects the integrity of the CCG because it's never a rematch.

I don't mind a rematch THAT much but I would eliminate or minimize late-season non-divisional games simply because I see a rematch of a game from a month or two earlier as interesting (how has each team improved since then) whereas I see a rematch of a game from last week as just silly.  

My thoughts on your proposal in general:

• I've never been a fan of the idea of a 20-team league.  Consider CBB scheduling.  In my 16-team proposal I'd use the football pods to make up schedules.  Each team would play every other league team once (15 games) then they'd play their row-mates and column-mates a second time (6 games) for a total of 21 games.  In a 20-team league you'd need 19 games just to play everyone.  I'm not a fan.  
• As per my earlier post I think that these non-geographic additions would really strain both the finances and the athletes in non-revenue sports.  

I'm still a believer in UNC/UVA but apparently the B1G is talking to Kansas.  I think that is a bad idea.  Kansas brings a lot of CBB prestige, of course, but they are also fighting off an NCAA investigation there (which is rapidly becoming irrelevant), they suck in FB, they are a small population state, and their academics aren't stellar.  UNC/UVA are near-equal in CBB, much better in FB, much more populous (and faster growing) states and those two institutions have MUCH better academics than Kansas.  

I'm against Notre Dame because they don't add anything academically (their graduate/research programs are a joke compared to any B1G school).  

I'm against Kansas for the reasons listed above.  

I'm against any far-away school for the reasons listed in my earlier post.  

That basically leaves two options:

• Step in and make a competing offer to UT/OU.  The SEC might have a better football draw but the B1G is MUCH better academically and I think Texas (at least) would care enough about that.  Didn't Switzer (maybe?) once say he wanted a University the FB team could be proud of?  
• UNC/UVA

It is about money which is why ISU and OkSU are not even going to be considered by the B1G and are frankly going to be lucky if their future isn't in the MAC. 

It is about money, but I don't think it is "all about money."

If it were all about money the Big Ten would be negotiating with Texas and Oklahoma right now (maybe they are, but I doubt it) - but Oklahoma is not an AAU school. As you point out there are elements of geography, time and expense involved with transporting nonrevenue sports teams.

This realignment may involve other factors  not involved when the Big Ten brought in Rutgers and Maryland. It does seem that the past 3-decades there has been less consideration of athletes being students, and more consideration of how athletes bolster athletic department revenues, and resulting higher coach and administrator salaries. Time will tell.

All of this talk about what to do with the tweeners like Ok St and Kansas St. and possibly KU has got me thinking that maybe after all this Super League stuff shakes out they may not be in near as bad shape after all.  CFB over the last 20 years or so really seems to be seem made to fit the big boy teams anyways.  Look at how TCU got left out of the CFP in 2014 and Ohio St. got in last year when they did not play near as many games as the rest of the leagues.  

Maybe the Super Leagues break out of the NCAA and make their NFL Jr dreams come true but for all the rest of the programs I would like to see how they deal with it.  Ok St would no longer have to compete with OU etc in the new league.  They might enjoy success at a new level, and even though they would not make near as much money would they really need it?  Them and scores of programs just like them have good to great facilities and with just the right coach and talent could really make some headway in their new league.  I picked Ok St but Tx Tech and dozens of other programs would still be able to play good to great ball and fill their stadiums.  I don't think it would quite be like Div II is now (FCS? ) in the fact that they would still have ravenous fans and fill their stadiums.  They might even still play some old NFL Jr rivals in the same way that lots of FBS schools play the big boys now (and sometimes win).  

Medina-

Mostly agree with you, except:

1.  I'd rather see OU/UT than the PAC option, but it sounds to me like OU/UT is already done to the SEC.
2.  If I'm right that the OU/UT to the SEC deal is signed, sealed, and delivered; the B1G has to respond unless it's comfortable becoming irrelevant nationally.
3.  UNC/UVA are great and I'd be fine with that, but think you still need to go bigger than 16 to get the kind of national exposure the B1G really needs here, I think as this thing continues to evolve the SEC might invite UNC/UVA anyway, and those schools are both a better cultural fit SEC.
4.  I think the ACC is a moot point anyway because they're GOR runs through 2035, the timing on the PAC deal expiring in 2023 with disgruntled members due to revenue makes too much sense to ignore.

Regarding the non-revenue sports and travel/scheduling - keep in mind the PAC is the most geographically spread out conference in the country already for the most part, other than an instate rival, they're flying everywhere, so from an expense standpoint, I don't think it would be that big of a hit.

Regarding CBB scheduling in a 20 team conference - since when has a hiccup in CBB scheduling stopped a conference from making a good decision long term for football?  20 works extremely well for football IMO, that's what matters.

I'm of the opinion here that the B1G either expands in a major way with the the top of the PAC or concedes long term that it will become irrelevant.  If there's a way around the GOR, I'm fine with the ACC members, but don't think you get the same national feel with UVA/UNC that you do with USC/Oregon/Washington.  I understand ND's not a great fit academically, but we both know they're in if they want to be, revenue wise it's a definite yes and maybe adding a Pacific division gets them interested.

i'm sure this has been discussed in these 9 pages, but the b1g, pac and acc won't sit idly by for long. they'll make moves and the bigxii will be picked apart.

i wouldn't be surprised to see mizz jump to b1g if offered. which would also solve the ou leaving ok st delimma.

sec gets ou, texas and ok st, loses mizz.

b1g gets kansas and mizz, brings 2 rivals and aau schools since that's big for them, as well as good bball programs and overall good ath depts.

pac gets baylor, tt, tcu and... someone else? isu or ksu? boise, byu?

acc takes wvu and nd if they can convince them, if not then cincy.

either way, between this, nil, cfp expansion, and ncaa getting knocked around in court, in 5 years time this is all going to be a completely new game.

Baylor and TCU are destined to stay in the old NCAA.  They are irrelevent in the new league.  TX Tech might be attractive to some other conference.  
It'll be interesting to see where all these mid size schools end up.  

I've just thought about one aspect...

I'm now in favor of the B1G doing whatever it can to get in league with the PAC...

...so I can go to Purdue games again!