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TamrielsKeeper · « **Reply #98 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:24:13 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 23, 2021, 03:14:15 PM

I think we're looking at a conference that is really two conferences with some links.

I disagree with this once you go to divisions and rotate them. If you had two 10 school "divisions", then yeah, that's basically two separate conferences. Playing a schools twice every six years feels like enough regularity that you're connected for me. It's more of an NFL approach for sure, but still fairly regular.

Either way, I think we're at the biggest turning point for this stuff since the CFA breakdown because of the NIL. The B1G really needs to be aggressive here or I fear it eventually becomes the Ivy League, which it may prefer anyway, but we're probably at the point where that decision needs to be made. If the B1G wants to compete at the highest level, you have to respond here in a way that allows the B1G to compete w/ the SEC unless your OK with the Ivy League route.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #99 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:24:37 PM »

Dunno.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #100 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:25:05 PM »

The SEC is looking at four team pods apparently.

FearlessF · « **Reply #101 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:26:36 PM »

look at the PAC TV contract... not enough value

besides the Cali / left coast politics

they might just give up football

the B1G doesn't need them

Hawkinole · « **Reply #102 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:27:03 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 23, 2021, 10:01:33 AM

enrollment ISU 33K, UI 23K

ISU is the AG and engineering college

many of those graduates return home to farms and Ag businesses in the state

You forgot to include graduates students at Iowa.

Iowa State enrollment Fall 2020 - took a big dip. 31,285

U of Iowa enrollment Fall 2020 - also took a big dip. 30,488

FearlessF · « **Reply #103 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:28:56 PM »

true, as you know it's not 75% hawkeyes in the state

847badgerfan · « **Reply #104 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:36:43 PM »

Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 23, 2021, 03:18:31 PM

No idea on the politics of the Cali schools, but Oregon is listed on the AAU website as a member?

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

I get it probably doesn't matter, but might make it more palatable to the university presidents.

You are correct. I missed that - thanks.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #105 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 23, 2021, 02:50:41 PM

While CFB drives the bus, other sports can contribute a good bit, MBB.

I'm still all astonishment this is more than a rumor apparently.

Could the Big 12 survive by poaching the Arizona teams and Colorado (back)?

Throw in Cincinnati?

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 23, 2021, 03:23:26 PM

Colorado left for a reason, what makes you think they would have any interest in going back? Maybe they would be intrigued by the idea of being the big fish in a small pond but that doesn't make much sense from a revenue perspective.

Without UT and OU, the B12 is nothing. No matter if you get the AZ schools and Colorado. You have no helmets. No anchor for the quality of the league.

It's rearranging the deck chairs like the old Big East when they got raided... You had a bunch of second tier and worse schools left, not a sustainable power conference.

AZ/ASU/CU would be stupid as hell to actually even consider that for more than a microsecond.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #106 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:37:32 PM »

Kansas has scheduled a call to the Big Ten office.

Reports: Kansas plots Big Ten move with OU, Texas exiting Big 12 (kansascitypost.com)

My opinion is this would be a mistake. Its a football program in utter disarray.

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The Big Ten needs to recruit Notre Dame, and put them in the Western Division to balance the two divisions. Notre Dame can bring dollars. There would be some tricky revenue issues with NBC. Every Notre Dame home game would have a national audience.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #107 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:45:45 PM »

Regarding these non-geographic ideas, I'm not sure how much this matters but:

Sending the football team from the midwest (or East in the case of Rutgers, Maryland, and PSU) out to Austin, Boulder, Lawerence, Los Angeles, or whatever makes sense because you are making MILLIONS on that football game. The same probably applies to MBB but it most certainly does NOT apply to all the other sports.

The B1G sponsors:

Football, all 14
Men's Basketball, all 14
Women's Basketball, all 14
Men's Golf, all 14
Women's Golf, all 14
Men's Wrestling, all 14
Women's Cross Country, all 14
Women's Soccer, all 14
Softball, all 14
Women's Tennis, all 14
Women's Volleyball, all 14
Baseball, 13 all but Wisconsin
Men's Outdoor Track and Field, 13 all but NU
Women's Swimming and Diving, 13 all but UMD
Women's Indoor Track and Field, 13 all but NU
Women's Outdoor Track and Field, 13 all but NU
Men's Cross Country, 12 all but UMD and NU
Men's Tennis, 12 all but UMD and RU
Men's Indoor Track and Field, 12 all but UMD, NU
Women's Gymnastics, 10 of 14
Men's Swimming and Diving, 10 of 14
Women's Field Hockey, 9 of 14
Men's Soccer, 9 of 14
Women's Rowing, 8 of 14
Men's Gymnastics, 7 of 14
Men's Ice Hockey, 6+1 (add ND)
Women's Lacrosse, 6+1 (add Johns Hopkins)
Men's Lacrosse, 5+1 (add Johns Hopkins)

B1G Sports that each B1G School competes in:

28 Ohio State
28 Michigan
27 Penn State, 14 Men, 13 Women (all but rowing)
25 Michigan State, 12 Men, 13 Women
24 Minnesota, 12 Men, 13 Women
24 Iowa, 11 Men, 13 Women
24 Rutgers, 10 Men, 14 Women
23 Indiana, 11 Men, 12 Women
22 Wisconsin, 11 Men, 11 Women
21 Illinois, 10 Men 11 Women
21 Nebraska, 10 Men, 11 Women
20 Purdue 10 Men, 10 Women
20 Maryland 8 Men, 12 Women
18 Northwestern, 8 Men, 10 Women
2 Johns Hopkins, Men's and Women's Lacrosse
1 Notre Dame, Men's Ice Hockey

Hawkinole · « **Reply #108 on:** July 23, 2021, 03:46:39 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 23, 2021, 03:28:56 PM

true, as you know it's not 75% hawkeyes in the state

It didn't used to be as balanced as now. Up until the early 1970s Iowa State played football in a stadium that seated in the mid-30,000s. Iowa State enrollment, and its fanbase have increased dramatically. The fanbases are about equal in size, and equal in affection for the athletic teams the past 10-years. Iowa State being an AAU school, and in the Big Ten footprint would be a good choice for the Big Ten. If the Big Ten could bring in Notre Dame, Iowa State would be a really good addition.

If it is about dollars the Big Ten will look to North Carolina, or otherwise go beyond its footprint.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #109 on:** July 23, 2021, 04:01:08 PM »

Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 23, 2021, 03:24:13 PM

I disagree with this once you go to divisions and rotate them. If you had two 10 school "divisions", then yeah, that's basically two separate conferences. Playing a schools twice every six years feels like enough regularity that you're connected for me. It's more of an NFL approach for sure, but still fairly regular.

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 23, 2021, 03:25:05 PM

The SEC is looking at four team pods apparently.

Four, four-team pods makes sense to me for a 16 team conference but, what is your (TamrielsKeeper) proposal for pods with 20 teams?

I'm just spitballing here but:

I think you need four pods such that two pods make a division.
That means five teams in a pod.
That means 10-team divisions.
That means you have to play nine league games to play your entire division.
That means ZERO cross-over games.
That makes it tricky.

I've thrown out my proposal before but for a 16-team conference it is to have rows and columns (assume adding UVA and UNC simply because that is the one that I think make the most sense (and $)) and here is how I would do it:

The columns are pods and the rows are groups. Your annual FB schedule is nine games:

3 against the other three teams in your row
3 against the other three teams in your column
3 against the other three teams in one of the other columns (your temporary division)

In six years you play:

6 games each against the other three teams in your row, 18 total
6 games each against the other three teams in your column, 18 total
2 games each against the other nine teams in the conference, 18 total
54 total games, 9 per season

If you expand to five-team pods then there are ZERO cross-overs so the ONLY every-year games will be those within each pod. Ie, each team will have four every-year games and five that rotate. That makes it a LOT harder to protect rivalries.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #110 on:** July 23, 2021, 04:02:04 PM »

Quote from: Hawkinole on July 23, 2021, 03:46:39 PM

It didn't used to be as balanced as now. Up until the early 1970s Iowa State played football in a stadium that seated in the mid-30,000s. Iowa State enrollment, and its fanbase have increased dramatically. The fanbases are about equal in size, and equal in affection for the athletic teams the past 10-years. Iowa State being an AAU school, and in the Big Ten footprint would be a good choice for the Big Ten. If the Big Ten could bring in Notre Dame, Iowa State would be a really good addition.

If it is about dollars the Big Ten will look to North Carolina, or otherwise go beyond its footprint.

It is about money which is why ISU and OkSU are not even going to be considered by the B1G and are frankly going to be lucky if their future isn't in the MAC.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #111 on:** July 23, 2021, 04:09:08 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2021, 02:47:43 PM

If you can't get ND, perhaps taking Kansas and ripping Colorado out of the PAC? UC-Boulder might be a good fit and they're narrowly on the same side of the Rockies as the rest of our conference. They're not a college football powerhouse, but it's a great school in a populous [and quickly growing] state. I think they'd be willing to consider leaving--the B1G can offer more money and I'm not sure they're any better of a cultural fit out West as in the B1G.

Re: Colorado:

Traveling two time zones west for a 9:00 p.m. start to a night game would be burdensome for Eastern Time Zone Big Ten teams. And, for Colorado to travel two time zones east to start a morning game at 10:00 a.m. Mountain time would be burdensome for Colorado. I don't see Colorado breaking away to the Big Ten, but it would be an interesting addition.

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