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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2021, 02:18:03 PM »
I think the B1G needs to view this SEC move as a power grab and have this discussion with the schools at the top of the PAC, then respond accordingly.  The Rose Bowl is going to die under the expanded playoff format, maybe add UCLA to the conference and play the CCG there every once in a awhile as an homage to it.  If the B1G doesn't think outside the box here I fear that the SEC just leaves the NCAA and becomes it's own division with it's own championship.

The current PAC12 deal ends in 2023, so it's without question the path of least resistance from an expansion standpoint.
Interesting... I'll admit it's certainly bold.

I agree that the SEC move is a power grab, and flat out they just killed the B12. They know the value of UT and OU, and they didn't want someone else to strike first and take them off the table, leaving them to scramble for scraps--which might be what happens to both the B1G and the ACC now. 

I don't see the SEC breaking off without the other power conferences. This is likely the next step in the power conferences breaking away from the G5, but I don't think any conference, EVEN the SEC, can go it alone. 

A B1G-PAC merger is such a big thing that I just don't know what to say about it. That's like responding to a border skirmish (SEC tacking UT/OU) by carpet-bombing population centers. It's a whole different level of escalation...


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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2021, 02:38:32 PM »
the PAC isn't a good CFB partner and has the same problem as the Big 12

better to approach programs that add value

perhaps Mizzou, Kansas, Notre Dame, and/or UNC
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2021, 02:44:51 PM »
If you don't think USC/Oregon have a tremendous amount of value with the new NIL rules, you're missing the forest through the trees IMO.  UCLA too, I'm sure eventually.

The PAC12's current problem is the time zone combined with the lower half of the conference having abysmal TV ratings.  If you blend the best of the PAC12 with the B1G's time slots you end up in a much better place.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2021, 02:47:43 PM »
the PAC isn't a good CFB partner and has the same problem as the Big 12

better to approach programs that add value

perhaps Mizzou, Kansas, Notre Dame, and/or UNC
Not going to pry Mizzou out of the SEC, and depending how strong the ACC GoR is, may not be able to get UNC. 

There are teams of value in the PAC. But as @TamrielsKeeper suggests, it's hard to just pick and choose. You can't just take USC and Washington, for example, because now you've got two severe outliers that have nothing in common with the rest of the conference and they're way out of the footprint. If you're going to blow up the footprint and take someone out west, you have to go all out.

That may not be necessary though... There are smaller moves that could make sense. It all depends how much you want to blow up college football all at once.

If you can't get ND, perhaps taking Kansas and ripping Colorado out of the PAC? UC-Boulder might be a good fit and they're narrowly on the same side of the Rockies as the rest of our conference. They're not a college football powerhouse, but it's a great school in a populous [and quickly growing] state. I think they'd be willing to consider leaving--the B1G can offer more money and I'm not sure they're any better of a cultural fit out West as in the B1G. 

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2021, 02:50:41 PM »
While CFB drives the bus, other sports can contribute a good bit, MBB.

I'm still all astonishment this is more than a rumor apparently.

Could the Big 12 survive by poaching the Arizona teams and Colorado (back)?

Throw in Cincinnati?

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2021, 02:54:22 PM »
Not going to pry Mizzou out of the SEC, and depending how strong the ACC GoR is, may not be able to get UNC.

think B1G, take UNC and Clemson
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2021, 02:56:59 PM »
I'm pretty sure UNC and UVA are joined at the hip (much like OU and Oklahoma State, ha).

I also think the ACC rules for leaving are draconian.


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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2021, 02:57:09 PM »
There are teams of value in the PAC. But as @TamrielsKeeper suggests, it's hard to just pick and choose. You can't just take USC and Washington, for example, because now you've got two severe outliers that have nothing in common with the rest of the conference and they're way out of the footprint. If you're going to blow up the footprint and take someone out west, you have to go all out.

Precisely, an expansion to 20 would be borderline required for any expansion from the P12 to really function in a way that you end up competing for national titles as a conference against the SEC.

I think USC/UCLA/Oregon/Washington are clearly the four most valuable, I'm not sure who #5 is from an athletic standpoint.  From a research grant standpoint probably Cal or Stanford.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2021, 03:13:51 PM »
Say the B1G grabbed 5 PAC12 schools plus ND, that would leave you with 7 schools in the P12 and 8 in B12.  Those two join up plus say BYU (get to an even 16) and create a conference that's probably worth of an auto bid for an expanded playoff?

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2021, 03:14:15 PM »
I think we're looking at a conference that is really two conferences with some links.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2021, 03:16:31 PM »
Is UCLA in lockstep with Cal? That could be the answer right there. But, would Cal want to leave Stanford behind?

Of the schools you list, only Oregon is not an AAU member, but I don't think that matters anymore.

Chicago already pulled out of the CIC, so their input and insistence on only AAU members in that group is gone.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2021, 03:18:31 PM »
Is UCLA in lockstep with Cal? That could be the answer right there. But, would Cal want to leave Stanford behind?

Of the schools you list, only Oregon is not an AAU member, but I don't think that matters anymore.

Chicago already pulled out of the CIC, so their input and insistence on only AAU members in that group is gone.

No idea on the politics of the Cali schools, but Oregon is listed on the AAU website as a member?

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

I get it probably doesn't matter, but might make it more palatable to the university presidents.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2021, 03:22:22 PM »
Better question is why would they?
This is exactly what I was thinking and for exactly the same reasons that you listed in your next post.  

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2021, 03:23:26 PM »
While CFB drives the bus, other sports can contribute a good bit, MBB.

I'm still all astonishment this is more than a rumor apparently.

Could the Big 12 survive by poaching the Arizona teams and Colorado (back)?

Throw in Cincinnati?
Colorado left for a reason, what makes you think they would have any interest in going back?  Maybe they would be intrigued by the idea of being the big fish in a small pond but that doesn't make much sense from a revenue perspective.  

 

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