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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #434 on: July 30, 2021, 05:53:56 PM »
another reason to put the Aggies and Horns in the same pod :)
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #435 on: July 30, 2021, 06:04:22 PM »
we should be in the same pod but they will probably dodge us
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #436 on: July 30, 2021, 06:04:37 PM »
another reason to put the Aggies and Horns in the same pod :)
It would be great fun to get to beat them twice per year, and make up for lost time!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #437 on: July 30, 2021, 06:14:22 PM »

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #438 on: July 30, 2021, 06:32:39 PM »
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #439 on: July 30, 2021, 07:45:34 PM »
Pods of 4 must play double round-robin schedules within the pod.


"A conference with subdivisions of four members must conduct double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament, to determine its champion."

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/bylaw?ruleId=9206

The rule either has basketball/baseball in mind or was constructed by people who couldn't wrap their heads around a 16-team conference.  The SEC would apply for a waiver and get it.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #440 on: July 30, 2021, 08:38:14 PM »
The rule either has basketball/baseball in mind or was constructed by people who couldn't wrap their heads around a 16-team conference.  The SEC would apply for a waiver and get it.
if you will read up thread your questions might be answered
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #441 on: July 30, 2021, 09:10:59 PM »
Does not apply to FBS football.  FBS championship is determined by the CFP, not NCAA.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/Division%20I%20Forms/2010-11%20FBS%20Forms/Football%20Bowl%20Subqa%2012%208%2010.pdf

Wrong. The only thing the CFP controls is the playoff. 

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #442 on: July 30, 2021, 09:47:04 PM »
Wrong. The only thing the CFP controls is the playoff.
if the pods of 4 will be required to play every team twice in their pod then Im sure the sec will pick another qrouping

no way we should have to play a team twice during the regular season
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #443 on: July 30, 2021, 10:12:05 PM »
It doesn't matter, they'd apply to waive the rule and it would happen.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #444 on: July 30, 2021, 10:16:34 PM »
It doesn't matter, they'd apply to waive the rule and it would happen.
Thats what will have to happen or no pods
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #445 on: July 30, 2021, 11:00:14 PM »
Wrong. The only thing the CFP controls is the playoff.
As I said, FBS football championship is determined by the CFP, not the NCAA.  It is not an NCAA championship as covered by the bylaw as listed below,
 
31.3.4.1 Requirements -- Division I Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification in a Division I Championship, a member conference must meet the following requirements: (Revised: 12/9/91, 8/13/93, 12/5/94, 10/18/95, 10/27/98, 4/20/99, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)

(a) Conference competition must be conducted in the applicable sport and the conference champion in that sport must be determined not later than the date on which participants are selected for the NCAA championship, either by regular in-season conference competition or a conference meet or tournament, as indicated at the time of application. If a conference's competition to determine its automatic qualifier is unexpectedly terminated (e.g., due to inclement weather), the conference may designate its qualifier, provided it has established objective criteria for making that designation and has communicated that information to the appropriate sports committee by a specified deadline.
(b) In the event of a tie for the conference championship, the conference shall have the responsibility of determining which team or individual shall represent the conference in NCAA competition. If a play-off is held, such competition shall be considered conference competition, not NCAA competition.
(c) In sports other than championship subdivision football, a conference may establish subdivisions and conduct competition within each subdivision to determine a conference champion, as long as each subdivision consists of at least four members. A conference with subdivisions of four members must conduct double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament, to determine its champion. A conference with subdivisions of five or more members may conduct either single or double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament to determine its champion. (Note: This regulation does not apply to Division I men's or women's basketball. In those sports, a conference may conduct either double round-robin, in-season competition, or a minimum of 14 conference games in order to determine its champion.)
(d) In championship subdivision football, football-playing conferences that subdivide into five or more teams are required to conduct a single round-robin competition within each division and develop a formula for determination of the conference champion, which must be approved by the Football Championship Committee prior to the start of the season. A postseason championship game is not required.

Paragraph (b) is for sports other than FCS football that play for an NCCA championship.




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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #446 on: July 31, 2021, 08:28:22 AM »
As I said, FBS football championship is determined by the CFP, not the NCAA.  It is not an NCAA championship as covered by the bylaw as listed below,
 
31.3.4.1 Requirements -- Division I Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification in a Division I Championship, a member conference must meet the following requirements: (Revised: 12/9/91, 8/13/93, 12/5/94, 10/18/95, 10/27/98, 4/20/99, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)

(a) Conference competition must be conducted in the applicable sport and the conference champion in that sport must be determined not later than the date on which participants are selected for the NCAA championship, either by regular in-season conference competition or a conference meet or tournament, as indicated at the time of application. If a conference's competition to determine its automatic qualifier is unexpectedly terminated (e.g., due to inclement weather), the conference may designate its qualifier, provided it has established objective criteria for making that designation and has communicated that information to the appropriate sports committee by a specified deadline.
(b) In the event of a tie for the conference championship, the conference shall have the responsibility of determining which team or individual shall represent the conference in NCAA competition. If a play-off is held, such competition shall be considered conference competition, not NCAA competition.
(c) In sports other than championship subdivision football, a conference may establish subdivisions and conduct competition within each subdivision to determine a conference champion, as long as each subdivision consists of at least four members. A conference with subdivisions of four members must conduct double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament, to determine its champion. A conference with subdivisions of five or more members may conduct either single or double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament to determine its champion. (Note: This regulation does not apply to Division I men's or women's basketball. In those sports, a conference may conduct either double round-robin, in-season competition, or a minimum of 14 conference games in order to determine its champion.)
(d) In championship subdivision football, football-playing conferences that subdivide into five or more teams are required to conduct a single round-robin competition within each division and develop a formula for determination of the conference champion, which must be approved by the Football Championship Committee prior to the start of the season. A postseason championship game is not required.

Paragraph (b) is for sports other than FCS football that play for an NCCA championship.




And the Bylaw you give is an NCAA Bylaw. Has nothing to do with the CFP.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #447 on: July 31, 2021, 08:55:42 AM »
It doesn't matter, they'd apply to waive the rule and it would happen.
Waiver? No. Revision as was done to accommodate the Big 12? Perhaps. Perhaps not. This Bylaw is a sticky subject with the NCAA and as long as there is an NCAA it is going to be strictly enforced. This was shown with the Big 12. Even after the revision they wanted a waiver. They wanted to continue without divisions and without round-robin play which was denied.

The reason it is sticky is because the original section pertaining to football was intended for 1AA only but was not written exclusively for 1AA as it is now. Bylaw 31.3.4.1 (d) pertains only to FCS (1AA). That original section required a minimum of 12 teams with two 6 team divisions playing round-robin schedules within the divisions in order to have a CG.

When Roy Kramer took that rule and expanded the SEC and initiated the CG, the NCAA had a meltdown. So. Waiver? No. Revision? Perhaps not. Safe to say the NCAA is probably still pissed at the SEC for using the rule as they did.
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