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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #182 on: July 25, 2021, 02:03:19 AM »
Keeping up with the Abernathys.
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Whoever.  See:  Maryland and Rutgers
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #183 on: July 25, 2021, 08:10:50 AM »
Doesn't Fox ownership of the BTN go away in 2025?
I seem to remember that the current ownership arrangement (51% Fox/49% B1G) got extended to 2031 or something as a condition of the last TV deal where Fox bought Tier 1 rights.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #184 on: July 25, 2021, 08:24:36 AM »
Would it be better to move teams into the AAC or into the Big 12?  The big 12 just needs 4 teams to be whole. UH is one obvious choice. You still have some decent football programs left in Ok State and Tex Tech. The Big 12 would still have better name recognition than the AAC.
I think it's the same thing with the name change.  If the AAC discarded their weak sisters in football and added Baylor et al., they'd be better than the Big East was at times.

At least deeper, lacking helmet teams still, which the BE had to an extent.

I agree other conferences will panic trying to figure this out and they will be "in contact" with other teams to see where they can move, and often that panic incurs "Maryland and Rutgers".  It gets to be more about numbers than quality.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #185 on: July 25, 2021, 08:42:15 AM »
I think the Big 12 would survive the departure of Texas and OU.  Other teams like Houston and SMU would like to be in the Big 12.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #186 on: July 25, 2021, 08:50:34 AM »
I think it's the same thing with the name change.  If the AAC discarded their weak sisters in football and added Baylor et al., they'd be better than the Big East was at times.

At least deeper, lacking helmet teams still, which the BE had to an extent.

I agree other conferences will panic trying to figure this out and they will be "in contact" with other teams to see where they can move, and often that panic incurs "Maryland and Rutgers".  It gets to be more about numbers than quality.


West Virginia was the Big East's "helmet" after Miami left. 
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2021, 09:05:35 AM »
I think the Big 12 would survive the departure of Texas and OU.  Other teams like Houston and SMU would like to be in the Big 12.
I think they CAN survive, no doubt, by just making numbers, and they may well add Cincy and Memphis.  But they start to look like an AAC.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2021, 09:19:10 AM »

The Big East remained a BCS conference all through the time that they were "starting" to look like the AAC. It wasn't until they WERE the AAC that they lost their BCS status. 

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2021, 09:21:15 AM »
And yes, if the WAC survived without football for over a decade, then the Big 12 will survive in some capacity as well. 

You'd have an easier time eliminating an obsolete govt agency than to destroy a conference altogether. 
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2021, 09:58:12 AM »
The B12 was already dicey when the choose WVU, not that WVU is bad IMHO, but the geography is strained.  They can pick up several "city teams" and still be fairly OK I think, Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and one more from somewhere.  That isn't a terrible conference at all, it's just without any helmets.  At all.

I suppose Notre Dame would not be interested, at all, right?  I mean they could come in and pretty much win every year.  Crazy I know.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2021, 10:04:53 AM »
Well shoot the PAC only has one helmet, and I read on twitter that they're headed to the B1G. :)


Gonna be a weird next few months.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2021, 10:36:06 AM »
Well the difference between four 16-team conferences and three 20-team conferences is only 4 schools.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #193 on: July 25, 2021, 11:02:03 AM »
One of the main reasons I'd rather see the B1G go West then east would be that I think the SEC could keep going as ratings continue to be the only thing that matters.

If the SEC ever invited the likes of UNC/UVA/Clemson/Florida State, I view it as extremely likely they'd all prefer the SEC over the B1G.  Conversely, I don't think any of the top targets in the P12 would have any interest in associating themselves with the SEC unless they have no other choice.

One thing that I think would be worth trying is approaching USC/UCLA/Oregon/Washington and getting them on board, then going to ND and Texas and telling them there are two spots left if they're both interested - ND can anchor the NE division, Texas the Pacific.

Outflank the SEC at their own game here.  Not sure UT would leave OU, but there have been reports that OU is going to the SEC regardless of what Texas decides.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #194 on: July 25, 2021, 11:12:15 AM »
Texas is definitely staying with OU.

I've said for the past ten years that OU actually has the power in the relationship.  Texas was fine to stand pat in the B12, because Texas wanted to keep it more regional and not endure the far-flung travel associated with joining any of the other conferences, especially for the olympic sports. 

But OU has had wanderlust ever since 2010, I believe they felt they missed out in those two rounds of realignment and haven't been satisfied staying in the B12 ever since.

So I'd agree with the reports you've heard-- OU was going no matter what, and Texas' hand was forced, because we know we need them and the TX-OU rivalry, to maintain our sports brand.  Sure, an OOC rivalry could be set up, indeed the TX-OU rivalry existed as an OOC game for 8 decades before it become an in-conference game.  But there's risk to that-- it's not the 1920s anymore, and times are quite different.  How many rivalries have survived in the past 3 decades, when one or both teams switched to different conferences?

Anyway, if the B1G really wanted Texas, they'd need to be willing to take OU.  There are factions at OU that would have preferred the B1G all along, but the B1G wasn't overly receptive, given their academics.  If that has changed, then now would be the time for the B1G to make a push for both teams.


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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #195 on: July 25, 2021, 11:22:19 AM »
UGA - Tech
USCe - Clemson
FSU - UF, though they were never in the same conference.

Those are local rivalries of long standing.  

 

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