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FearlessF · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2020, 03:55:07 PM »

we all know that motivation is a factor

Cincydawg · « **Reply #43 on:** March 30, 2020, 04:10:16 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 30, 2020, 02:34:43 PM

Who was the worst team in each major conference over the span of that decade?

That would be tough to answer I think. We'd need The Bobs. Auburn was 0-10 in 1950, so they are off to a good start.
In 1951 they were 5-5 and Tulane was at the bottom at 4-6. We forget about Tulane. Auburn was 2-8 the next year, then 7-3-1 while Tulane was 1-8-1. Then Tulane was 1-6-3 while Auburn was 8-3. The next year Bama was 0-10 and Tulane improved to 5-4-1, Auburn 8-2-1.
In 1956 LSU was at the bottom, Tulane was so so, but they fell to 2-8 in 1957. Auburn was 10-0.

Then in 1958 LSU goes 11-0 and Tulane was 3-7. In 1959, Tulane was 3-6-1 while UGA finally had a good year (10-1, early loss to South Carolina, not then in the SEC).

So, Tulane "wins".

CWSooner · « **Reply #44 on:** March 30, 2020, 05:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 07:21:59 AM

Neither UCLA nor OU played in a bowl game that year ....

It seems that for awhile the then-Big 7 had a rule against teams repeating bowl trips. Or maybe it was just when the trip was to the Orange Bowl. OU went 10-0 in 1950 and went to the Sugar Bowl, losing to Kentucky. In 1951, OU went 8-2, was undisputed conference champ, and stayed home. In 1952, OU went 8-1-1, was undisputed conference champ, and stayed home again. In 1953, OU went 8-1-1, undisputed conference champ, and went to the Orange Bowl, beating Syracuse. In 1954, OU went 10-0 and stayed home. In 1955, OU went 10-0 and went to the Orange Bowl, beating Maryland. In 1956, OU went 10-0 and stayed home. In 1967, OU went 9-1, undisputed conference champ, and went to the Orange Bowl, beating Duke.
I'm guessing that in those years in the early '50 when OU was the Big 7 champ and stayed home, nobody from the Big 7 went bowling.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #45 on:** March 30, 2020, 05:17:01 PM »

I think the second place team went bowling. In 1955, Nebraska went.

Riffraft · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2020, 10:04:26 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2020, 03:44:49 PM

This phrasing makes it seem like they didn't try. Yes, they tried. Yes, they did their assignments and played to their ability level.
But there's trying and there's slobbering, panicked, adrenaline, snot-bubble, wolves-are-chasing-me trying...and teams tend not to do that when everything isn't on the line.
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And every time I suggest it, it's refuted, and I'll keep on suggesting it.

You might have a good argument for other games, but this was Army-Navy. While I wouldn't say it is as rabid as Ohio State-Michigan, there is no way that Army would not have been slobbering, panicked, adrenaline, snot-bubble, wolves-are-chasing-me trying anytime they play Navy.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:14:21 PM »

http://www.tiptop25.com/champ1958.html

Pictured above is Louisiana State's star halfback Billy Cannon carrying the ball in the Sugar Bowl. The quarterback you see in the photo was knocked out of the game with an injury, so it was up to Cannon to throw the touchdown pass that defeated Clemson 7-0. That win finished LSU at 11-0, and they are an almost unanimous choice for the 1958 mythical national championship. But for the 3rd year in a row, we have at least one nay-sayer organization selecting a 1-loss Big 10 champion over a consensus choice that has a perfect record.

Here is how all of the organizations listed in the NCAA Records Book see the 1958 mythical national championship (omitting selections made by a single magazine or by math/computer ratings, which are not generally accepted as MNCs):

11-0 Louisiana State: AP Poll, CFB Researchers, Helms, National Championship Foundation, UPI Poll (coaches)

8-1-1 Iowa: Football Writers Association of America

Cincydawg · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:16:35 PM »

1) Louisiana State 11-0
2) Iowa 8-1-1
3) Army 8-0-1
4) Auburn 9-0-1
5) Oklahoma 10-1
6) Air Force 9-0-2
7) Wisconsin 7-1-1
8) Ohio State 6-1-2
9) Syracuse 8-2
10) Texas Christian 8-2-1
11) Mississippi 9-2
12) Clemson 8-3
13) Purdue 6-1-2
14) Florida 6-4-1
15) South Carolina 7-3
16) California 7-4
17) Notre Dame 6-4
18) Southern Methodist 6-4
19) Oklahoma State 8-3
20) Rutgers 8-1

Cincydawg · « **Reply #49 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:17:50 PM »

Pictured above is Syracuse running back Ernie Davis scoring a touchdown in a 46-0 win at Boston University. Syracuse went 11-0 this season, winning the only mythical national championship in their history. And this MNC is unanimous, at least among human selectors: 3 math-based systems rate 10-1 Mississippi #1 for 1959.

Mississippi was very powerful, but they took a tough 7-3 loss at 9-2 Louisiana State on Halloween night, snuffing their MNC hopes. 10-1 Georgia took an early upset loss at 6-4 South Carolina, but at least they won the SEC outright. 10-1 Washington took a loss to 8-2 Southern Cal, but they won the Rose Bowl, stopping the Big 10's winning streak there at 6. Wyoming was 9-1, but would not have been an MNC contender even if they'd won them all. Bowling Green was 9-0, but doesn't even make the top 25 for 1959, though they did finish #1 in the UPI "small college" poll.

With no legitimate contenders to Syracuse's MNC claim, they're the only team I'll be summarizing this time. Which is a nice break for me. All rankings in this article, except as noted, come from my 1959 fixed AP poll.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #50 on:** March 31, 2020, 01:18:57 PM »

1) Syracuse 11-0	--
2) Mississippi 10-1	--
3) Louisiana State 9-2	--
4) Texas 9-2	--
5) Georgia 10-1	--
6) Washington 10-1	+2
7) Arkansas 9-2	+2
8) Texas Christian 8-3	-1
9) Clemson 9-2	+2
10) Penn State 9-2	+2
11) Alabama 7-2-2	-1
12) Southern Cal 8-2	+2
13) Pittsburgh 6-4	+7
14) Auburn 7-3	IN
15) Georgia Tech 6-5	IN
16) Wyoming 9-1	--
17) UCLA 5-4-1	IN
18) Purdue 5-2-2	IN
19) Wisconsin 7-3	-13
20) Illinois 5-3-1	-7
21) Northwestern 6-3	IN
22) Notre Dame 5-5	-5
23) Iowa 5-4	IN
24) Oklahoma 7-3	-9
25) Tennessee 5-4-1	IN

FearlessF · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2020, 09:59:19 PM »

14) Florida 6-4-1

22) Notre Dame 5-5

must have been some tough schedules and close explainable losses

Cincydawg · « **Reply #52 on:** April 01, 2020, 07:37:10 AM »

Notre Dame
6-4 Notre Dame, originally rated #17, took an upset loss at 5-4-1 Pittsburgh, and they defeated now-#17 Southern Methodist. Clemson, who currently sits right in front of Dame, also took an upset loss, but they did not beat a rated team, and their performances were awful. 7-3 South Carolina took 2 upset losses, one more than Notre Dame. 6-4-1 Florida took an upset loss and a tie, the tie putting them a half game worse than Notre Dame. The Irish, who also defeated 5-3-1 Indiana, 6-3 Navy, and 6-4 North Carolina, should be ranked ahead of all 3 teams currently in front of them.

Move Notre Dame up to #13, dropping Florida, South Carolina, and Clemson 1 spot each.

He actually dropped Florida 4 spots versus the actual AP poll and moved ND up 3. This is his "logic" at work. As I said, one can argue with it, but it's interesting to read I think.

The polls back then were often apparently biased against certainly teams and regions. The writers did not adore the SEC for example. I don't know why ND suffered by his accounting this year. He mentions Auburn as being often way under ranked.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #53 on:** April 01, 2020, 07:38:56 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:59:19 PM

14) Florida 6-4-1

22) Notre Dame 5-5

must have been some tough schedules and close explainable losses

I should check this, but teams back then may not have played 3 pastries out of their ten games. A mediocre team today can beat 3 pastries OOC and win say 5 conference games against weaker opponents and finish 8-4 and perhaps be ranked with a bowl win. Take 2 pastries out and they are 6-4.

FearlessF · « **Reply #54 on:** April 01, 2020, 12:15:51 PM »

checking the Husker's schedules for the decade of the 50's, they had South Dakota twice in those 10 seasons. All the other games were legit. the pastries were gone.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #55 on:** April 01, 2020, 12:22:26 PM »

UGA played "Hardin-Simmons" in 1959, the other 9 opponents were P5 teams. The previous year it was the Citadel only. In 1958, they played Navy and Michigan OOC.

So, I think back then a 7-3 record would be pretty decent, versus 8-4 today with 3 wins over cupcakes, croissants, and beignets.

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