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Topic: Teams from the 1940s

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2020, 02:50:36 PM »
Ironic if Ft. Knox had a poor defense, eh?
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2020, 02:52:48 PM »
CFB changed rather dramatically due to the war with most players going into the service or playing for teams of schools like Iowa Preflight where they were in military training.  Many athletes (and movie stars) were not only in the service, but also garnered some serious combat time.

"We" tend to overlook their service contributions because few of them referred to it. 
What changed here, in terms of advertising one's service?  
Back then, they didn't want to talk about it or didn't feel the need.  But post-Vietnam, or maybe WWII now in very old age, they're wearing the hats at all times, going to every veteran's thing possible.
Neither is better or worse, and if you served, you have the right to share it or not share it as much or as little as you want, but something changed.
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2020, 03:24:08 PM »
What changed here, in terms of advertising one's service? 
Back then, they didn't want to talk about it or didn't feel the need.  But post-Vietnam, or maybe WWII now in very old age, they're wearing the hats at all times, going to every veteran's thing possible.
Neither is better or worse, and if you served, you have the right to share it or not share it as much or as little as you want, but something changed.
I think it became a rarer thing?  When you have two World Wars 25ish years apart, how many able bodied men didn't serve?

Then disposable income changed things.  How many people in 1947 had clothes, just to have them?  Maybe I'm off there, but you also didn't see kids wearing Ted Williams jerseys around either.

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2020, 03:29:31 PM »
Ironic if Ft. Knox had a poor defense, eh?
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2020, 04:25:05 PM »
Baseball during the Wars was really goofy too.  Tons of ink spilled on the subject. 

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2020, 05:36:28 PM »
Ironic if Ft. Knox had a poor defense, eh?
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Most of the gold apparently is at the Fed in NYC, and the best defense is the shear weight of the gold bars.  The movies tend to make rather light of that.

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2020, 05:39:55 PM »
And I think because nearly everyone served in WW 2, it would be silly to make a point of it.  Hey, I graduated high school, it's on my cap.

I might skip to 1946, another season where UGA was really good, and undefeated, and ended up ranked #3 behind two teams with a tie.

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2020, 05:45:59 PM »
But didn't nearly everyone serve in Vietnam (aside from the sons of rich politicians)?
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2020, 06:01:06 PM »
But didn't nearly everyone serve in Vietnam (aside from the sons of rich politicians)?
No, not even close.  We had draft numbers back then.  I think mine was 355 or something.  They were taking up to about 70, and many who were in the military were in Europe.  We had about half a million troops in Vietnam at peak.  Compare that with how many served in WW II and were in war theaters often as not.
Very very different figures.

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2020, 06:36:11 PM »
i wonder if the treatment the vietnam vets got coming back played a role. military is a brotherhood and they were treated poorly upon return (still are sometimes) and i wonder if the trend of advertising you're military (current or former) on your sleeve was a form of support that's stuck around. don't know, i wasn't around for 'nam.

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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2020, 07:54:09 PM »
Why would someone mistreat a drafted solider returning from war?  Did people just not understand that the soldiers are the pawns?  The entire Vietnam War seems like a big WTF form every angle and aspect.
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2020, 08:18:20 PM »
We can't talk about 40s college football without Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice.
Helluva life.
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Averaged 25 ypc his SR year in HS.  
Spent 4 years in the Navy in WWII.
After the war, went to college.  He requested his wife get his scholarship, as he could use his GI money for school.
UNC agreed, Duke did not.
He finished 2nd for the Heisman in 48 and 49.  
He set the school total offense record, which was not broken until 1994.
He was the MVP of the 1950 College All-Star team that beat the Philadelphia Eagles.
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UNC went to 2 Sugar Bowls with Justice.
They achieved their only #1 ranking ever, midway through the '48 season.
He averaged 42.6 yds per punt and 14.2 yards per punt return.
He got his nickname playing for Bainbridge NTS - finishing 5th in the AP poll in 1944.  He led that team in scoring and rushing (at 11.0 ypc).  He actually played in Chapel Hill for the visitors, beating North Carolina Pre-Flight on the filed he'd eventually star on later.
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2020, 11:07:11 PM »
What changed here, in terms of advertising one's service? 
Back then, they didn't want to talk about it or didn't feel the need.  But post-Vietnam, or maybe WWII now in very old age, they're wearing the hats at all times, going to every veteran's thing possible.
Neither is better or worse, and if you served, you have the right to share it or not share it as much or as little as you want, but something changed.
Maybe because "everybody" served in World War II, whereas our best and brightest managed to avoid service in Vietnam, and the vets got treated like crap by so many people when they got home.
So maybe Vietnam vets wear those hats like badges of honor among themselves, even if our elites saw (and to some extent still see) them as baby-killer scum.
I'm just surmising, as I am not a Vietnam-era vet.  I didn't join the Army until 1979.
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Re: Teams from the 1940s
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2020, 11:09:39 PM »
i wonder if the treatment the vietnam vets got coming back played a role. military is a brotherhood and they were treated poorly upon return (still are sometimes) and i wonder if the trend of advertising you're military (current or former) on your sleeve was a form of support that's stuck around. don't know, i wasn't around for 'nam.
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