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MrNubbz

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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2020, 09:11:24 PM »
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2020, 09:16:41 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
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The 1940s with Crisler was actually Michigan's most dominant decade after the Yost era..... There were some great and awful teams from the 30s. I never understood the whole story but (eventual president) Gerald Ford was the starting center on some of those teams including the 1-7 1934 team after being 15-0-1 the prior two years and the one win was when they played Georgia Tech which didn't allow the black player (Willis Ward who eventually became a successful lawyer in Detroit) from that team to participate.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2020, 10:03:49 PM »
USC won the extremely mythical NCs in 1931 and 1932.  To better understand what football scoring was like back then, USC allowed 4.7 points per game in 1931. 
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That was only good for 24th in the country.  :86:
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2020, 10:10:25 PM »
1930-32 was the end of Amos Alonzo Stagg's 41-year run at the University of Chicago, with losing seasons in all 3.  The Maroons would close out the decade, but would not play a game after 1939.
48 years, 2 head coaches.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2020, 10:25:02 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on March 13, 2020, 09:16:41 PM
The 1940s with Crisler was actually Michigan's most dominant decade after the Yost era..... There were some great and awful teams from the 30s. I never understood the whole story but (eventual president) Gerald Ford was the starting center on some of those teams including the 1-7 1934 team after being 15-0-1 the prior two years and the one win was when they played Georgia Tech which didn't allow the black player (Willis Ward who eventually became a successful lawyer in Detroit) from that team to participate.
Yeah, looking at it....I guess they just had zero depth.  They lost a bunch of good players from 1933 and just stunk in '34.  Same coach.  No major injuries or excuses. 
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The player held out of the GT game, Ward, scored all of UM's points aside from that game.  Yes, it's despicable that UM allowed a visiting team to dictate the participation of a black player, but looking at quotes from back then, it's certain he'd have been purposely injured (or worse).  
Nowadays, GT would have had to forfeit.  
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2020, 11:21:10 PM »
That is sort of something lost to the ages, with less recruits falling through the cracks, and coaches not simply rewarding tenure, the random great team.  I feel like you used to get the random 1974 Orange Bowl Kansas Jayhawks, or whatever, and then discover they were awful before and after that.

Trying to think of recent examples, and I'm not coming up with any.  I know I just fake used them, but maybe those 2007 Kansas and Missouri teams?  I think Wake Forest won an out of the blue ACC title in there.  You might get a short elite burst like MSU from 2013-2015, or Washington.  But I can't think of any one off great teams recently.  If Baylor could have figured out Oklahoma, maybe they would have fit?  If Kansas State had avoided the one pitfall and played in the BCS champion ship in 2011 or 2012?
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2020, 11:23:16 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on March 13, 2020, 09:16:41 PM
The 1940s with Crisler was actually Michigan's most dominant decade after the Yost era..... There were some great and awful teams from the 30s. I never understood the whole story but (eventual president) Gerald Ford was the starting center on some of those teams including the 1-7 1934 team after being 15-0-1 the prior two years and the one win was when they played Georgia Tech which didn't allow the black player (Willis Ward who eventually became a successful lawyer in Detroit) from that team to participate.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2020, 12:42:49 AM »
Yeah, teams tend to have 2-3 year runs and not just one-offs.  2007 Kansas definitely fits.  
1990 Georgia Tech, too - finishing unranked the 4 years before their NC and the 6 years after.
2001 Illinois was pretty random....0-11 in '97 and only 1-10 in '03.  If they'd won the Sugar Bowl, they'd have been top 4.
1967 Indiana won a single game the year before going to the Rose Bowl.  That was their last trip to Pasadena, still.
1977 Kentucky was pretty random, going 10-1.
2019 Minnesota is a candidate, but they were able to hang onto their HC.
2000 Oregon State won the Fiesta Bowl and finished 4th.  RANDOM.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2020, 12:46:24 AM »
Quote from: ELA on March 13, 2020, 11:21:10 PM
That is sort of something lost to the ages, with less recruits falling through the cracks, and coaches not simply rewarding tenure, the random great team.  I feel like you used to get the random 1974 Orange Bowl Kansas Jayhawks, or whatever, and then discover they were awful before and after that.

Trying to think of recent examples, and I'm not coming up with any.  I know I just fake used them, but maybe those 2007 Kansas and Missouri teams?  I think Wake Forest won an out of the blue ACC title in there.  You might get a short elite burst like MSU from 2013-2015, or Washington.  But I can't think of any one off great teams recently.  If Baylor could have figured out Oklahoma, maybe they would have fit?  If Kansas State had avoided the one pitfall and played in the BCS champion ship in 2011 or 2012?
Illinois won a big ten title in 2001 and played in the Rose Bowl on 2007, but have otherwise been putrid this millennium.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2020, 01:31:50 AM »
Despite being great in '88, the 1993 West Virginia team was pretty random.  They did diddly-poo the 3 years before that and the 8 years after it.  11-0 regular season.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2020, 02:01:49 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 10:10:25 PM
1930-32 was the end of Amos Alonzo Stagg's 41-year run at the University of Chicago, with losing seasons in all 3.  The Maroons would close out the decade, but would not play a game after 1939.
48 years, 2 head coaches.
Actually, University of Chicago now does have a football team. They re-started in the 1960s. The Maroons play in D-III as a member of the Midwestern Conference.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2020, 08:33:33 AM »
Today the Maroons are in the USA, with Case Western, Emory, Carnegie Mellon, etc.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2020, 09:02:40 AM »
I find it interesting that the running backs weighed about the same as the OLs, around 200 pounds.  I think the OLs were 230 or so typically when I was in school 1970s era.

It would be interesting to see a chart of the average weight of OLs in P5 by year (or decade).  I'd guess it's about 290 today, maybe 300.

UGA was 328 last season, average.  How much did the Fridge weight?  I think around 300 and he was considered to be a monster.
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Re: Teams from the 1930s
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2020, 09:06:05 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 14, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Today the Maroons are in the USA, with Case Western, Emory, Carnegie Mellon, etc.
I knew CWR isn't in Conf.USA,so I looked it up - President's Athletic Conference
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