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Topic: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?

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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #196 on: January 11, 2023, 12:07:31 PM »
I mean, technically Purdue was the Big Ten runner up, right?  And LSU blasted them.  Weird they didn't also include that

Doesn't count because the technical box score for the game was

LSU -- 63
Purdue's backups -- 7
Drew Brees' Sideline Presence Lifetime Achievement Award -- 6 billion

According to the way PFF grades this stuff, we lost that game really badly.  

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« Reply #197 on: January 11, 2023, 01:12:23 PM »
On another board a poster said TCU/Ga was like watching Mike Tyson vs Abe Vigoda
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« Reply #198 on: January 11, 2023, 06:34:57 PM »
Purdue also lost it's entire coaching staff and had all the good players on it's team sit so....not saying they'd have beaten LSU with a coaching staff and their top players- but they wouldn't have been clowned so badly....
You guys don't want to hear these excuses when it's not a B1G team, so.....
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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #199 on: January 11, 2023, 06:38:04 PM »
The NCG outcome makes me think TCU didn't think it'd beat Michigan.  Like deep down, they didn't believe they would.  So when they did, it was like winning the Super Bowl, and OOPS - they still had another game to play, and against an even better opponent.
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They couldn't get back "up" for it.  Not to downplay how great UGA played, but they're not 58 points better than TCU if they played 1,000 times.  
These 20 year olds aren't machines.  They have their ups and downs.  For TCU to have such a down in such a big spot tells me they were emotionally drained.  David had slayed Goliath, but couldn't do anything after that against Goliath's big brother.
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« Reply #200 on: January 11, 2023, 09:22:28 PM »
You guys don't want to hear these excuses when it's not a B1G team, so.....
Fair enough.

I think at a school like Purdue that doesn't have the depth of helmet schools or near helmet schools (LSU), and usually only has 1 or 2 really good players on both sides of the ball with excellent schemes is going to suffer pretty badly when those 1-2 really good players on both sides of the ball sit out and when the mad genius x's and o's scheming it up and his staff are all gone off to another place.

I don't blame Brohm for leaving. He won the B1G West this year, but if Fickell and Rhule are legit coaches and turn Wisc/NEB around plus with USC and UCLA coming- if they keep the divisions intact as is and just throw USC/UCLA in the West, Brohm's not winning the West again any time soon. I think he knew that. ACC is a cupcake and Louisville is all-out committed to NIL and buying players. They just bought a 5* DL from Florida in the '24 class. Brohm will get some DUDES there and he'll win a lot in the ACC. At Purdue, USC/Wisc/NEB will be the favorites (if their coaches are the real deal hires that is- remains to be seen) in the West every year with UCLA and Iowa making runs at it as well every now and then. 

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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #201 on: January 11, 2023, 09:24:01 PM »
The NCG outcome makes me think TCU didn't think it'd beat Michigan.  Like deep down, they didn't believe they would.  So when they did, it was like winning the Super Bowl, and OOPS - they still had another game to play, and against an even better opponent.
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They couldn't get back "up" for it.  Not to downplay how great UGA played, but they're not 58 points better than TCU if they played 1,000 times. 
These 20 year olds aren't machines.  They have their ups and downs.  For TCU to have such a down in such a big spot tells me they were emotionally drained.  David had slayed Goliath, but couldn't do anything after that against Goliath's big brother.
Honestly think TCU just blew their load vs Michigan and couldn't get it up again. Plus a combination of Jeem/Michigan just shitting the bed in EPIC fashion. It happens.

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« Reply #202 on: January 12, 2023, 11:09:29 AM »
The NCG outcome makes me think TCU didn't think it'd beat Michigan.  Like deep down, they didn't believe they would.  So when they did, it was like winning the Super Bowl, and OOPS - they still had another game to play, and against an even better opponent.
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They couldn't get back "up" for it.  Not to downplay how great UGA played, but they're not 58 points better than TCU if they played 1,000 times. 
These 20 year olds aren't machines.  They have their ups and downs.  For TCU to have such a down in such a big spot tells me they were emotionally drained.  David had slayed Goliath, but couldn't do anything after that against Goliath's big brother.
I think you are right. No B12 team had ever won a CFP game. The soon-to-depart helmets Texas and Oklahoma hadn't made it and had lost all four attempts respectively. Then decidedly non-helmet TCU made it and WON!

Irespective of how bad Michigan has been for most of the last two decades, they are still "Michigan". They still play their home games in the biggest stadium in the land and are instantly recognizable to even casual CFB fans in a way that only the "Helmet" teams are. TCU beat them and in the process accomplished something that their local Helmet teams (TX, OU) haven't managed to accomplish in the CFP era, they won a CFP game.

That was simply it, the end of the road. TCU didn't have anything left in the tank for UGA.

And, like OAM, I want to clarify that I don't mean this to diminish UGA's accomplishment. The Dawgs played a heck of a game and I'm also not saying that TCU would or even could have beaten UGA on a good/great night but I agree with @OrangeAfroMan that IGA wasn't, on average, 58 points better than TCU.

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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #203 on: January 12, 2023, 12:59:26 PM »
With all that said I think Kirby just ran a double reverse statue of liberty,lattered back pitch/catch and scored -  with the 2nd string
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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #204 on: January 12, 2023, 01:10:39 PM »
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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #205 on: January 12, 2023, 01:24:17 PM »
Fair enough.

I think at a school like Purdue that doesn't have the depth of helmet schools or near helmet schools (LSU), and usually only has 1 or 2 really good players on both sides of the ball with excellent schemes is going to suffer pretty badly when those 1-2 really good players on both sides of the ball sit out and when the mad genius x's and o's scheming it up and his staff are all gone off to another place.

Overall I agree, but just for the record, Purdue has/had more depth than LSU, who was still somewhere between 15-20 schollys short this past season.  They have the least amount of scholly players along with ASU, by far fewer than any other team in the country.  They had a whopping 39 scholarship players available for last year's bowl game when we got our ass kicked against K-State.  Now, there were some opt-outs and injuries and an academic problem or too that accounted for some of that, but Orgeron left the cupboard really bare.  Kelly had a great first cycle, but we're still way shorthanded compared to everybody not named Arizona State.  

Also worth noting LSU technically had more opt-outs and players who didn't play the bowl than Purdue did.

....all that said....

Purdue was absolutely hurt much worse by their opt-outs than LSU was.  LSU lost almost their entire defensive line, which wound up not hurting them much, and some others who were meh.  It might have mattered if Purdue had more of its offensive players.  But Purdue losing their QB, best WR (maybe best 2 WRs....not sure), and I think the top back.....you can't even count that as the same offense that Michigan played a month earlier in the B1GCG.  

The way that game went, I don't think Purdue would've won anyway because those offensive players weren't going to tackle LSU's players running up and down the field, but having their first-string offense 1) likely scores more points, and 2) possesses the ball more such that LSU has less possessions and opportunities to score.  Like I say, I'm inclined to think LSU still wins, but maybe something like a 42-30 affair rather than the dud we got.  

LSU's defense is not as good or as deep as Michigan's.....reasonably, Purdue could be expected to score more on the Tigers than they did on the Wolverines.  




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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #206 on: January 12, 2023, 01:58:27 PM »
Teams get blown out all the time in championship games.  Heck, I'd wager that it happens at least 50% of the time.  I'd say there are 2x as many blow-outs as they are really close, tight exciting games.  

Super Bowl teams get blown out, WS teams get blown out (swept).  

UGA was blowing TCU off the line from the get go, sacking TCU well into the 4th quarter with the 2nd/3rd teamers.  

Again, UM/Jim went retards or just weren't prepared.  Or worse, they got outcoached.  I suspect all three.  

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« Reply #207 on: January 12, 2023, 02:16:37 PM »
Teams get blown out all the time in championship games.  Heck, I'd wager that it happens at least 50% of the time.  I'd say there are 2x as many blow-outs as they are really close, tight exciting games. 

Super Bowl teams get blown out, WS teams get blown out (swept). 

UGA was blowing TCU off the line from the get go, sacking TCU well into the 4th quarter with the 2nd/3rd teamers. 

Again, UM/Jim went retards or just weren't prepared.  Or worse, they got outcoached.  I suspect all three. 
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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #208 on: January 13, 2023, 01:00:44 AM »
Jeem looking at the NFL jobs.
Thought crossed my mind as well. 

Honestly if this nfl crap is gonna be an every off-season thing, he needs to go.

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Re: TCU vs. Georgia-- Can David beat Goliath twice in a row?
« Reply #209 on: January 13, 2023, 09:05:38 AM »
yup, obviously has an affect on his staff
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