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utee94

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #728 on: May 27, 2021, 06:19:02 PM »
Sounds wonderful. When I start trimming, I usually start with the goal of a very small, very uniform layer of fat, and by the end I'm just hacking ungracefully at whatever chunk of fat I see.
Of course, it also depends on how the butchers in your part of the country are trimming the packer to begin with.  Down here in Texico, it's pretty well understood what customers are looking for, so the butcher has already trimmed it pretty close to the way I'd want it anyway.

I have a native Texan friend that lives in Baltimore now.  He loves to smoke brisket, but his local butchers never really knew how to cut it right.  Up there they trim them VERY lean, because they're typically going into the oven for that Jewish Northeastern style of braised brisket (which can, of course, be wonderful.  It's just not BBQ).  He finally found one local butcher who he could "teach" how to trim a brisket for BBQ, and that's where he sources all his meat now.


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« Reply #729 on: May 27, 2021, 06:21:56 PM »
Very scientific. I season it with whatever I have on hand, throw it on the grill with some wood chunks for a few hours, then wrap it in foil and throw it in the oven for a few hours, then throw it in the cooler until I'm ready serve it, then throw it (unwrapped) in the hot oven for a bit. I've thought about cooking the flat and point separately but my laziness usually stops that.
Yikes, do yourself a favor and do NOT cook the flat and point separately.

A full packer is a self-contained wonder that already has the perfect amount of muscle, fat, and connective tissue.  Separating those two muscles changes the ratios and makes you have to do weird and unholy things to cook them to any semblance of proper.

Meat, smoke, and time.  It's all you need.


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« Reply #730 on: May 27, 2021, 07:34:28 PM »
Very scientific. I season it with whatever I have on hand, throw it on the grill with some wood chunks for a few hours, then wrap it in foil and throw it in the oven for a few hours, then throw it in the cooler until I'm ready serve it, then throw it (unwrapped) in the hot oven for a bit. I've thought about cooking the flat and point separately but my laziness usually stops that.
"A few hours" is plenty scientific for brisket...

...IF you know how to figure out whether it's done or not.

It's certainly not time... And it's not even temp... It's tenderness.

I assume you have a way to check that and that's your doneness measurement? 

If not, I'm sure either 94 or I can tell you how to do it lol...

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« Reply #731 on: May 28, 2021, 06:01:36 AM »
Yikes, do yourself a favor and do NOT cook the flat and point separately.

A full packer is a self-contained wonder that already has the perfect amount of muscle, fat, and connective tissue.  Separating those two muscles changes the ratios and makes you have to do weird and unholy things to cook them to any semblance of proper.

Meat, smoke, and time.  It's all you need.
I mean, I've never had any major problems, but they are typically two different sizes and shapes, the fat content is much different, and physics is undefeated. Isn't the whole point of burnt ends that the point can take way more cooking?

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #732 on: May 28, 2021, 06:02:41 AM »
"A few hours" is plenty scientific for brisket...

...IF you know how to figure out whether it's done or not.

It's certainly not time... And it's not even temp... It's tenderness.

I assume you have a way to check that and that's your doneness measurement?

If not, I'm sure either 94 or I can tell you how to do it lol...
Yeah, I stick in a thermometer. If it goes in real easily, I'm good to go (also looking for around 200 degrees)

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #733 on: May 28, 2021, 09:31:14 AM »
The probe is the ultimate indicator for sure.

I've had briskets that didn't probe done until it was 207 in the flat.  I also had one probe tender at 198-- that was a big surprise to me but it turned out perfect.

Most times, when a brisket turns out tough and/or dry, it's because it was UNDERcooked.  It's counter-intuitive and a lot of people don't get it, but that's the way the breakdown of tissues in the meat works out.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #734 on: May 28, 2021, 09:32:32 AM »
I mean, I've never had any major problems, but they are typically two different sizes and shapes, the fat content is much different, and physics is undefeated. Isn't the whole point of burnt ends that the point can take way more cooking?
Yeah, you can separate the point and cook it however you want.  But the flat needs the point's help.  Cooking flats by themselves, requires you to jump through extra hoops that just aren't necessary if you simply keep the packer together.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #735 on: June 01, 2021, 10:57:54 AM »
I've cooked select/ungraded that turned out as well as any prime brisket I've ever purchased.  The grading is pretty much irrelevant for brisket, no matter what the guys on TV say.

That said, I just picked up a 13# prime packer from Costco for $4/lb.  Beef prices are definitely up right now.

I'll be smoking it, along with some pork spare ribs and a couple chickens, for a big "Eff You Covid We're All Vaxed" Memorial Day weekend shindig at my house on Sunday.

Oh, and regarding trimming a brisket-- don't worry too much about it, just remove any really hard chunks or discolored bits. 



Didn't end up smoking the yardbirds, but man the brisket and ribs turned out awesome. My i s c & a aggie wife said she thinks it was my best ever.  I think she might be right.


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« Reply #736 on: June 15, 2021, 01:25:34 PM »
You know, for a long while I've been a "reverse sear" guy when it comes to steak. I learned it from Amazing Ribs, where I've learned a lot of great things about cooking--and it helped me get my steaks from novice to very good. But it's time to graduate to a better method.

I believe the reverse sear is targeted at people who don't know that much about cooking, don't know that much about how to finish a piece of meat, and thus it helps them to avoid overcooking. However, by getting the temp up to near-done levels and then blasting it with high heat to sear, it makes it extraordinarily difficult to make sure that you get a perfect sear and perfect doneness. You're always playing a dangerous game that if you sear it as strong as you want, are you going to be above, at, or below your target internal temp? 

For a novice, I think too many of them just throw steaks on a hot grill and cook over direct heat, which means the outside is charred black to get to appropriate doneness, or the inside is raw to get to appropriate color outside. For those folks, reverse sear is an improvement.

But there's a reason no serious chefs or steakhouses use the reverse sear, and I think it's because of the problem I mentioned above of having to time it perfectly to get the color and doneness perfectly right. 

So I'm back to the sear-then-finish method. 

Two ways to do it:


  • Grill: This method either requires two grills, a grill that can easily support two-zone cooking with one portion indirect, or searing on the grill and then moving inside to an oven. To do this, you need one grill ripping hot--hotter than many grills support unless they are a kettle with a bunch of coals piled up, a kamado, or a grill with a dedicated searing station. Many gassers aren't good at this, and pellet grills even worse. At this point you want extreme direct heat. Cook on all sides until you get the right color. Feel free to flip as many times as you need to avoid burning the meat--don't be a "I only flip ONCE" guy or you're likely to burn it if the grill is hot enough. Once the color is right, remove to a MUCH lower temp grill or the oven--in this case the pellet grills are great because they're automatically indirect and you can set them to a low temp like 225. Stick a leave-in meat thermometer in the grill and let the steak slowly come up to temp until you get to your desired temp MINUS 5 degrees which will carry over during resting. So for medium rare (130-135 IT) I'll pull at about 127 degrees and wrap in foil on a cutting board / etc to rest. 
  • Stove/oven: Preheat the oven to 225 and get a cast iron pan on top of a flame on HIGH heat. Get some oil and butter sizzling in the pan, and set the steak(s) down in the pan. You can optionally add some herbs/garlic to the pan. Depending on the shape and thickness of the steak, you may or may not want to sear the sides; a thinner steak it won't matter. If you sear the sides, do the sides about a minute each before the top or bottom. You don't need to worry about the same level of color as the top or bottom, and if you do, you risk overcooking. But once the sides are lightly seared, put the steak face down in the pan and sear 4-5 minutes, basting the top with the butter/oil mixture as you go. After 4-5 minutes, flip the steak, insert a leave-in remote thermometer in the center, and put it immediately into the oven--the opposite side will sear nicely due to the hot pan. Leave in the oven until your IT reads your desired temp minus 5 degrees, and then remove to foil and a cutting board / etc to rest. Do NOT leave the steak resting in the hot cast iron pan or it will overcook. 


Reverse sear is a great method to learn for cooking steak... But this is better. 

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #737 on: June 15, 2021, 01:37:39 PM »
flip it more than once if needed, no harm in that
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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #738 on: June 15, 2021, 04:47:55 PM »
Best steaks I've done in recent memory were on our campout over Spring Break.  I had a bunch of mesquite splits that I burned down to coals on one side of the firepit, then shoveled over to the grill side of the fire pit and threw the steaks over the grate.   It was a large grate so I had plenty of room to move the steaks around to either get them closer to the heat, or further away.  The were perfectly seared, perfectly cooked, and had just a hint of the mesquite smokiness to them.  All around, pretty perfect.


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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #739 on: June 24, 2021, 10:53:10 AM »
Thermoworks just released the Thermapen ONE. 1-second readings of temp.

https://www.thermoworks.com/thermapen-one

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #740 on: June 24, 2021, 12:23:21 PM »
Thermoworks just released the Thermapen ONE. 1-second readings of temp.

https://www.thermoworks.com/thermapen-one
Those are nice.  But invariably I end up forgetting and leaving it outside in the rain or something, and have to get a new one once every couple of years.  So I buy the cheapies.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #741 on: June 24, 2021, 04:54:07 PM »
mine is cheap (disposable), takes about 10 seconds
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