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Topic: Stirring the Pot

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Big Beef Tacosupreme

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 04:29:28 PM »
Riley's culture was extremely soft
the kids he recruited probably fit that culture
bringing in 50 new guys and then telling players that he intends to keep bringing in kids to take their positions can be tough to take
life is tough
Interesting.  After last week I was wondering if Frost lost the team.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2018, 04:33:16 PM »
I'm thinking you're pulling the "No Way" we win take only with a different slant.It's not nice to fool with the football gods.
Heh.  I'm really not.  PSU's linebackers are the worst I've seen in years, and the defensive line isn't much better. 

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2018, 04:35:22 PM »
Some folks said Butch Jones at Tenn let the team get away from him and was "soft".  I think Pruitt is facing a similar problem as Frost.  I'm not sure about Richt, though the stupid penalties I see Miami make this season look familiar to me.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2018, 04:39:13 PM »
  • I mostly agree but I am not ready to completely give up on TCU just yet.  The others were awful as expected.  
  • I agree on the offense but I want to see them against some more defenses first.  Defensively they are certainly exciting to watch.  I can't find the link right now but I read somewhere that tOSU's D was among the national leaders in BOTH really good plays (turnovers, TFL's, sacks) and really bad plays (30+ gains).  I see that as a recipe for a jeckyll and hyde team.  If they ever have a game where the really good plays don't happen they'll be awful.  If they ever have a game where the really bad plays don't happen they'll be phenomenal.  
  • ApSt should end up ranked but they REALLY needed to win their PSU game.  PSU is the only team on their schedule that even approaches decent so with a loss there they will have a ceiling on their ranking especially if, as you project, PSU loses at least three games.  
  • Again?  An OSU loss in 2017 would have made it a three way tie between tOSU, PSU, and MSU but M would not have been involved even with a win over tOSU.  In 2016 a tOSU loss to M would have given PSU the outright B1G-E Championship but PSU won the tiebreaker anyway so who cares?  In 2015 a tOSU loss would have switched the B1G-E tie from MSU/tOSU to MSU/M but the Spartans beat both the Wolverines and the Buckeyes so they would have gone to Indy either way.  In 2014 a tOSU loss would have made the Buckeyes co-champs with the Spartans but the Buckeyes beat the Spartans so they would have gone to Indy anyway.  The Game has never determined the B1G-E representative to the B1GCG.  
  • The East/West divide looks REALLY big right now mostly due to Maryland's win over Minnesota.  Presently four of the top five and six of the top eight teams in the B1G Power Rankings are from the East.  
  • This is a good point.  UW's B1G-E opponents are PSU, M, and RU.  Iowa's are PSU, IU, and UMD.  It isn't over yet.  That said, Wisconsin effectively has a two game lead so they are in a strong position.  
  • It will have a big impact but the race will not end Saturday night in Happy Valley to be sure.  
  • Yikes, Nebraska looks MUCH worse than I expected at this point.  I don't know what to make of Purdue yet.  
  • I think that the Cornhuskers were just overwhelmed, I sure hope so.  
  • I've been to Beaver Stadium and I think it is MUCH louder than the Big House.  I honestly think it is up there with Camp Randall, Kinnick, and The Shoe as the toughest venues in the league.  Any game there is tough, particularly a night game.  
  • Purdue's win over BC really took a lot out of the ACC.  

3.  If they win out they will be close to the top 10.  Not playoff bound or anything.
4.  Meh, point made.  Ok, I admit it...the OSU/PSU game is of bigger importance than the UM/OSU game.  haha.
10.  I'll be there on Saturday.  Should be a fun one, win or lose!

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2018, 04:46:14 PM »
Interesting.  After last week I was wondering if Frost lost the team.
he may have "lost" some soft kids that were never really on board to begin with.
50 of the kids on the roster, nearly half, are his guys.  Maybe some of them are wondering if they made the right decision?  A few transfers and recruits have already left because the competition was too tough.
The first year with a new staff is tough.  The tough guys stay, the others don't do well.
Year two should be better
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2018, 04:59:57 PM »
3.  If they win out they will be close to the top 10.  Not playoff bound or anything.
4.  Meh, point made.  Ok, I admit it...the OSU/PSU game is of bigger importance than the UM/OSU game.  haha.
10.  I'll be there on Saturday.  Should be a fun one, win or lose!
The former is ALWAYS more fun then the latter. 
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »
3.  If they win out they will be close to the top 10.  Not playoff bound or anything.
I think you are right so I am not really disagreeing with you, I'm taking @OrangeAfroMan 's position and disagreeing with the hypothetical voters in this hypothetical.  If ApSt wins out they will have defeated:
  • One or Two C-USA opponents (Charlotte and USM if USM gets rescheduled)
  • One FCS team (Gardner-Webb)
  • Nine SunBelt teams (eight regular season and one in the CG).  

My argument and I know that at least @Orange Afro Man agrees is that if you are not P5 and you want to be considered for a high ranking and/or playoff spot then you simply can't schedule an FCS team and two CUSA opponents in your OOC.  The PSU game was great but they lost and even if they had won it was only one game.  I want to see a team with more than one game to base judgments of them on.  A non-P5 team needs at least two quality opponents OOC.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2018, 05:27:02 PM »
Dawg fans last year were pretty nervous about Appy State considering we didn't know what kind of team we had.  

They could well win out, but against garbage, so I would guess they'd be ranked 20th or so.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2018, 05:34:02 PM »
Dawg fans last year were pretty nervous about Appy State considering we didn't know what kind of team we had.  

They could well win out, but against garbage, so I would guess they'd be ranked 20th or so.
Assuming that they win out, I think that their final ranking will be heavily dependent on how PSU fares.  As you and I both pointed out, the rest of their schedule is garbage so if they end up 12-1 they'll have 12 wins over nobody impressive and an OT loss to PSU.  If PSU is 13-0 and heading to the CFP then they'll be top-10 and arguing for a CFP berth (they won't get it).  OTOH, if @Big Beef Tacosupreme is right and PSU loses at least three conference games, misses the B1GCG and finishes 9-3 or 8-4 then PSU will be ranked in the 15-25 range (or barely unranked) and it will be hard to justify ranking ApSt any higher than around 20th.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »
BBTS's opening post kinda reminds me what I've been thinking of. Every August we're fired up about how this is going to be THE YEAR. And every September we're reminded that, with a few notable exceptions, these are college kids and there's been a significant amount of turnover from graduation, injuries, and just stuff. Few teams look great at the start of the season. That's the nature of the game.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2018, 07:45:32 PM »
There is NO WAY Penn State beats Ohio State this weekend.
Funny, I was thinking;
There is NO WAY Ohio State beats Penn State this weekend.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2018, 11:51:23 PM »
TCU's loss to Texas was unfortunate but not too shocking. I hate to use excuses like "letdown game" but honestly that sequence where TCU just let Ohio St come back and take over in the 3rd quarter last week completely let the wind out of their sails and they were still deflated this past weekend. TCU is still a top 15-25 team I think. 

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2018, 06:09:34 AM »
Never let a team beat you twice.



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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2018, 08:46:04 AM »
TCU's loss to Texas was unfortunate but not too shocking. I hate to use excuses like "letdown game" but honestly that sequence where TCU just let Ohio St come back and take over in the 3rd quarter last week completely let the wind out of their sails and they were still deflated this past weekend. TCU is still a top 15-25 team I think.


I didn't find it unfortunate at all.. ;)
TCU is good, and probably still the better team, but that's not always the way football turns out.  I was encouraged by some of the things I saw from the Horns in that game, for the first time in a long time.
Anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season.  Perhaps we'll get a rematch in the completely unnecessary B12 CCG. :)

 

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