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Topic: Stirring the Pot

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »
3.  If they win out they will be close to the top 10.  Not playoff bound or anything.
I think you are right so I am not really disagreeing with you, I'm taking @OrangeAfroMan 's position and disagreeing with the hypothetical voters in this hypothetical.  If ApSt wins out they will have defeated:
  • One or Two C-USA opponents (Charlotte and USM if USM gets rescheduled)
  • One FCS team (Gardner-Webb)
  • Nine SunBelt teams (eight regular season and one in the CG).  

My argument and I know that at least @Orange Afro Man agrees is that if you are not P5 and you want to be considered for a high ranking and/or playoff spot then you simply can't schedule an FCS team and two CUSA opponents in your OOC.  The PSU game was great but they lost and even if they had won it was only one game.  I want to see a team with more than one game to base judgments of them on.  A non-P5 team needs at least two quality opponents OOC.  

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2018, 05:27:02 PM »
Dawg fans last year were pretty nervous about Appy State considering we didn't know what kind of team we had.  

They could well win out, but against garbage, so I would guess they'd be ranked 20th or so.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2018, 05:34:02 PM »
Dawg fans last year were pretty nervous about Appy State considering we didn't know what kind of team we had.  

They could well win out, but against garbage, so I would guess they'd be ranked 20th or so.
Assuming that they win out, I think that their final ranking will be heavily dependent on how PSU fares.  As you and I both pointed out, the rest of their schedule is garbage so if they end up 12-1 they'll have 12 wins over nobody impressive and an OT loss to PSU.  If PSU is 13-0 and heading to the CFP then they'll be top-10 and arguing for a CFP berth (they won't get it).  OTOH, if @Big Beef Tacosupreme is right and PSU loses at least three conference games, misses the B1GCG and finishes 9-3 or 8-4 then PSU will be ranked in the 15-25 range (or barely unranked) and it will be hard to justify ranking ApSt any higher than around 20th.  

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »
BBTS's opening post kinda reminds me what I've been thinking of. Every August we're fired up about how this is going to be THE YEAR. And every September we're reminded that, with a few notable exceptions, these are college kids and there's been a significant amount of turnover from graduation, injuries, and just stuff. Few teams look great at the start of the season. That's the nature of the game.

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2018, 07:45:32 PM »
There is NO WAY Penn State beats Ohio State this weekend.
Funny, I was thinking;
There is NO WAY Ohio State beats Penn State this weekend.

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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2018, 11:51:23 PM »
TCU's loss to Texas was unfortunate but not too shocking. I hate to use excuses like "letdown game" but honestly that sequence where TCU just let Ohio St come back and take over in the 3rd quarter last week completely let the wind out of their sails and they were still deflated this past weekend. TCU is still a top 15-25 team I think. 

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2018, 06:09:34 AM »
Never let a team beat you twice.



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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2018, 08:46:04 AM »
TCU's loss to Texas was unfortunate but not too shocking. I hate to use excuses like "letdown game" but honestly that sequence where TCU just let Ohio St come back and take over in the 3rd quarter last week completely let the wind out of their sails and they were still deflated this past weekend. TCU is still a top 15-25 team I think.


I didn't find it unfortunate at all.. ;)
TCU is good, and probably still the better team, but that's not always the way football turns out.  I was encouraged by some of the things I saw from the Horns in that game, for the first time in a long time.
Anyway, best of luck for the rest of the season.  Perhaps we'll get a rematch in the completely unnecessary B12 CCG. :)

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2018, 09:39:34 AM »
Predictions:

1.  LSU upsets Alabama 17-16 on a controversial zebra call and goes 11-1 only to lose in the SEC CG to a 10-2 UGA, and 11-1 Alabama makes the playoffs.
2.  Wisconsin loses at Michigan but wins the West with the one loss and then defeats Michigan in the CG, and then 11-1 Ohio State makes the playoffs.
3.  Oklahoma loses to Texas and West Virginia, but every team in the Big 12 has 2 losses and none make it in.
4.  Stanford loses at Washington but runs the table otherwise and makes the playoffs at 12-1.
5.  Clemson finishes 13-0 to get the 1 seed, and loses in the first round to ... Alabama.
6.  Stanford beats Ohio State and then loses big to Alabama in a bad CG and fans all over bemoan what happened.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2018, 02:55:58 PM »
Predictions:

1.  LSU upsets Alabama 17-16 on a controversial zebra call and goes 11-1 only to lose in the SEC CG to a 10-2 UGA, and 11-1 Alabama makes the playoffs.
2.  Wisconsin loses at Michigan but wins the West with the one loss and then defeats Michigan in the CG, and then 11-1 Ohio State makes the playoffs.
3.  Oklahoma loses to Texas and West Virginia, but every team in the Big 12 has 2 losses and none make it in.
4.  Stanford loses at Washington but runs the table otherwise and makes the playoffs at 12-1.
5.  Clemson finishes 13-0 to get the 1 seed, and loses in the first round to ... Alabama.
6.  Stanford beats Ohio State and then loses big to Alabama in a bad CG and fans all over bemoan what happened.
Only problem with this prediction is that if #1 turns out to be true, then LSU, Alabama, and Georgia ALL get into the CFP. 
The final slot goes to Ohio State, I guess.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2018, 03:38:54 PM »
My name is taco and I was wrong, and I'm singing the "I'm wrong" song.  I shouldn't have taken that chance, now here's my regretful dance. :character0029:
Oh man would that be a good signature 

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2018, 03:43:29 PM »
Iowa's chances hinge on a rock, paper, scissors scenario whereby they beat PSU, but PSU beats Wisconsin. Even then, Michigan would have to beat Wisconsin as well.

And yes, I know there are numerous other oddball scenarios that are mathematically possible, but those are all far less likely.
I think he is just saying that Iowa beating PSU and UW losing to PSU and M remains so plausible that going all-in on UW is silly. I agree. But I'm still pretty all-in on UW.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2018, 03:48:58 PM »
In 2016 a tOSU loss to M would have given PSU the outright B1G-E Championship but PSU won the tiebreaker anyway so who cares?  

Probably an honest mistake but that's not true. In 2016, had OSU lost to Michigan, the East was all Michigan's. PSU and Michigan tied at 8-1 and Michigan with the blowout tiebreaker.

medinabuckeye1

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2018, 03:57:06 PM »
I think he is just saying that Iowa beating PSU and UW losing to PSU and M remains so plausible that going all-in on UW is silly. I agree. But I'm still pretty all-in on UW.
As oddball scenarios go, Wisconsin losing to Penn State and Michigan isn't all that implausible.  From what I have seen of the rest of the B1G-W I just can't see any team outside of Wisconsin or Iowa winning it and that puts Iowa in a tough spot because they are effectively two games behind only one game into the season.  
If you are an Iowa fan looking for potential Wisconsin losses the Badgers' road games in Ann Arbor and State College jump off the page as the most likely candidates.  The Badgers only have two other remaining road games and those are Northwestern and Purdue.  Maybe Northwestern will get the ship righted and be a spoiler by late October?  Maybe Purdue will improve and be a spoiler by mid November?  Those things are obviously possible but if I were an Iowa fan I certainly wouldn't count on them.  Iowa fans have no real choice but to pin their hopes on Michigan and Penn State.  
The potentially bigger problem for the Hawkeyes is that even if Wisconsin does lose both of their tough road games in the East, Iowa still has to run the table from here out to get to Indy.  That might be less likely than Wisconsin losing twice.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2018, 04:02:17 PM »
Up until 2016, Northwestern was a house of horrors for UW - with the last win in 1999 - last Century.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2018, 04:04:05 PM »
Probably an honest mistake but that's not true. In 2016, had OSU lost to Michigan, the East was all Michigan's. PSU and Michigan tied at 8-1 and Michigan with the blowout tiebreaker.
You are right.  Thank you for giving me credit for the honest mistake.  I remembered to subtract the win from Ohio State's 8-1 (thus moving tOSU out of the 8-1 tie) but I guess I forgot to add the win to Michigan's 7-2 finish (thus moving them into an 8-1 tie with PSU).  You are also correct about the tiebreaker.  Michigan's H2H win over PSU would have been decisive and sent the Wolverines to Indy.  
I edited my post to reflect this.  

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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2018, 04:04:42 PM »
#9.... a Michigan player went on record and said UNL quit after the first series.    During the week leading up to the game, players were talking about buy in during press conferences.  After the game, guys stated players and fans need to decide if they are on board or not.

There have been rumblings that groups of players have not liked Frost's approach, especially around conditioning (tougher), practice times (early morning) and how many new guys were brought in (55).   What is sad is I don't doubt this is happening.   There are a lot of guys that seem more interested in the idea of being a football player at Nebraska than actually being one.   The cultural challenges are bigger than the skill set problems.   jmo
I think Rich Rodriguez walked into something similar at Michigan. It's consistent with rumors that at the end of his tenure he became Lloyd "Country Club" Carr and stopped being sufficiently hard on the team. 
Sadly this is one of those rare times when the coach ultimately lost the battle to change the culture. Not because the kids stayed snotty but because the Michigan fan culture, especially with donors/alumni and administrators, took over the story. Like late era Lloyd, the people in charge of RR's fate were supremely country clubby, hated trading a coach who spent pressers citing philosophy and quoting Kipling for a guy with a drawl who said "irregardless." Even before the losing, RR was toast and he didn't know it. Made me pretty sick - the snobbery.
Frost isn't going to have that problem. Of course that won't make the culture change easy. But it does make it possible.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2018, 04:21:22 PM »
Interesting.  After last week I was wondering if Frost lost the team.
I wouldn't say that Frost has lost the *team*, just the older/softer players. Last week, some players may have quit but that not the same as "it was many!" and definitely not all of them.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2018, 04:26:45 PM »
Predictions:

1.  LSU upsets Alabama 17-16 on a controversial zebra call and goes 11-1 only to lose in the SEC CG to a 10-2 UGA, and 11-1 Alabama makes the playoffs.
2.  Wisconsin loses at Michigan but wins the West with the one loss and then defeats Michigan in the CG, and then 11-1 Ohio State makes the playoffs.
3.  Oklahoma loses to Texas and West Virginia, but every team in the Big 12 has 2 losses and none make it in.
4.  Stanford loses at Washington but runs the table otherwise and makes the playoffs at 12-1.
5.  Clemson finishes 13-0 to get the 1 seed, and loses in the first round to ... Alabama.
6.  Stanford beats Ohio State and then loses big to Alabama in a bad CG and fans all over bemoan what happened.
Cindy serving up fire. Now THAT'S how you stir a pot. Can you imagine if all that actually happened. Would maybe be the most dramatic season of my fandom to date.

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2018, 08:08:54 PM »
Clemson likely loses to USCe, because they'll go through the ACC untested. 

 

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