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847badgerfan · « **Reply #1204 on:** April 14, 2023, 03:05:25 PM »

Corwagon.

That would be better.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1205 on:** April 14, 2023, 03:33:27 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 14, 2023, 02:59:29 PM

The Macan looks huge next to our GTI.

The "Corvette" is whatever you want to call it, I dislike the dilution of the name brand.

Though, the term "corvette" referred to a small British slow cheap destroyer type back in WW 2, what we called a "Destroyer Escort".

I don't get too worked up over what to call these things.

I don't care enough to get worked up, but calling this thing a "Corvette" is about as dumb as calling the Ford EV crossover a "Mustang".

Or calling a seltzer that isn't in any way, shape, or form, beer, "Bud Light Seltzer".

In all cases you're trying to attach something that has no relationship to what made a brand what it is, to that brand. Looking like a rank opportunist, while at the same time potentially devaluing the brand that you're trying to attach to.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1206 on:** April 14, 2023, 03:49:44 PM »

I agree entirely. It would be like rebranding a Chevy Suburban as some kind of Cadillac ...

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1207 on:** April 14, 2023, 04:06:51 PM »

800-HP ZR-1,1000-HP Zora Could Take C8 Corvette to New Heights (caranddriver.com)

How can one drive a 1,000 hp Corvette on the streets? Light throttle?

I guess there is a market for this?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1208 on:** April 14, 2023, 05:11:55 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 14, 2023, 03:49:44 PM

I agree entirely. It would be like rebranding a Chevy Suburban as some kind of Cadillac ...

I hardly think that applies. Cadillac has long been known for being the rebadged luxury version of Chevy. All they did was introduce a new model.

Likewise despite Porsche traditionally being a coupe & convertible maker, I didn't think their foray into the Cayenne and Macan, and then the Panamera, were somehow diluting their brand. They're all still luxury performance vehicles.

Now if they'd made the Cayenne and somehow tried to brand it as a 911 SUV, I'd think maybe someone over there in Stuttgart had lost their damned mind.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1209 on:** April 14, 2023, 11:17:35 PM »

yup, a Corvette is a 2 seat chevy sports car

a corvette is not something else

A camaro is a 4 seat, 2 door sports car

similar to a 911 or 928

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1210 on:** April 15, 2023, 09:37:43 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2023, 05:11:55 PM

I hardly think that applies. Cadillac has long been known for being the rebadged luxury version of Chevy. All they did was introduce a new model.

Likewise despite Porsche traditionally being a coupe & convertible maker, I didn't think their foray into the Cayenne and Macan, and then the Panamera, were somehow diluting their brand. They're all still luxury performance vehicles.

Now if they'd made the Cayenne and somehow tried to brand it as a 911 SUV, I'd think maybe someone over there in Stuttgart had lost their damned mind.

When my wife was looking for an SUV, she looked at Lexus, Acura, Infinity, Cadillac, Lincoln and a few others. She was on her own.

I asked her why she didn't look at M-B. She had no answer really.

As we talked things through, I asked he how she liked driving the Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Chevy, Ford, etc. Then I explained.

She then asked me who made M-B vehicles. My answer? M-B. That's what she got.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1211 on:** April 15, 2023, 09:44:49 AM »

Most Cadillacs have had Caddy specific frames and sometimes engines, though they have borrowed engines significantly. They developed their own engine not too long ago and barely used it, a DOHC V8 called "Blackwing", which led to confusion about the current CT5 V Blackwing, which doesn't use that engine. The Ct5 and CT4 use the alpha frame architecture, which Camaro adopted a few years back.

But the most obvious borrowing has been with the Escalade, which is of course just a Tahoe/Suburban with fancier stuff but same frame/drivetrain/etc.

It's by far their most profitable item. Their smaller "SUVs" are not very competitive vs competition.

I'm still quasi-interested in the BMW X1 but hope to hold off a few years thinking some better options will be available.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1212 on:** April 15, 2023, 09:51:23 AM »

Drive an X1. You will no longer be interested. Problem solved.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1213 on:** April 15, 2023, 10:17:44 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2023, 09:37:43 AM

When my wife was looking for an SUV, she looked at Lexus, Acura, Infinity, Cadillac, Lincoln and a few others. She was on her own.

I asked her why she didn't look at M-B. She had no answer really.

As we talked things through, I asked he how she liked driving the Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Chevy, Ford, etc. Then I explained.

She then asked me who made M-B vehicles. My answer? M-B. That's what she got.

My wife chose the Lexus RX. She (& I) knew full well that it is a luxury rebadged Toyota. That's a feature, not a bug. Toyota makes excellent vehicles.

We like to keep vehicles well beyond the expiration of their warranty. I.e. the goal is 10 years. I trust a fancy rebadged Toyota to last that amount of time without needing tremendous infusions of cash for maintenance, far more than anything German.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1214 on:** April 15, 2023, 10:42:06 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2023, 09:51:23 AM

Drive an X1. You will no longer be interested. Problem solved.

I will some day, they have very good reviews at least. I'd like to find one as close to a GTI as possible and that looks like it, to me, purely from reading.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1215 on:** April 15, 2023, 11:05:20 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2023, 10:17:44 AM

My wife chose the Lexus RX. She (& I) knew full well that it is a luxury rebadged Toyota. That's a feature, not a bug. Toyota makes excellent vehicles.

We like to keep vehicles well beyond the expiration of their warranty. I.e. the goal is 10 years. I trust a fancy rebadged Toyota to last that amount of time without needing tremendous infusions of cash for maintenance, far more than anything German.

We have a 2014 and still worth $25-30K - probably even more?? No payments since 2017.

We spend about $1500/year on maintenance. That's a $125/month car payment. Great deal if you can get it, for this car.

We sold the wife's SUV and replaced with a golf cart.

EV, if you will.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1216 on:** April 15, 2023, 11:07:23 AM »

My only maintenance is about $100 a year for an oil change. I had to replace two tires a while back due to nails.

I'm not counting gas of course. The car is five years old, apparently worth a fair bit of change still, I only paid $31 for it.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1217 on:** April 15, 2023, 11:22:21 AM »

I don't spend extra $$$ for a shinier badge

a suburban would be my pick over an Escalade

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