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« Reply #840 on: June 29, 2022, 08:12:25 PM »
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Not for everyone I admit.  But if you like canyon carving or road courses- in a car that presents a somooth, pillowy ride at 80 on the freeway …

This is one of only a few. 
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« Reply #841 on: June 30, 2022, 08:06:37 AM »
Cadillac doesn't get anything over sticker.  It doesn't help the company.

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« Reply #842 on: June 30, 2022, 08:07:23 AM »
We had a 2014 CTS with the 4 cylinder, and magnetic ride, and it had a pretty stiff ride.  
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« Reply #843 on: June 30, 2022, 08:10:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 08:06:37 AM
Cadillac doesn't get anything over sticker.  It doesn't help the company.


but the dealership benefits
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« Reply #844 on: June 30, 2022, 08:16:57 AM »
Yup.  I think I saw Caddy only made 250 each of the Blackwings.  That's a tiny run, even if it's profitable it's not much for GM, and yet they are investing more in the brand.

Our local dealer in Cincy way back had two slightly used V wagons with a manual on the floor, I was tempted.
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« Reply #845 on: June 30, 2022, 09:51:59 AM »
I owned the original version of the CTS-V back when they came out in 09. That was 556 hp with the magnetic suspension.

At that time it broke the Nuremberg Ring lap time for sedans, besting all of the Mercedes, BMW and Audi sedans at that time.  It was one hell of a vehicle and I got to drive it around Monticello Raceway on the road course. Talk about a riot.

Of course, since that time those track records have been shattered numerous times.  Hell, I now own two SUVs and one coupe That are faster around the Nurburgring than that 09 original CTS-V. 

To your point, a tremendous amount of research and development, and investment, has actually gone into creating SUVs that can perform since that’s what the public wants to consume
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« Reply #846 on: June 30, 2022, 10:01:11 AM »
Yup, I understand why companies invest in SUVs and "halo" SUVs.  I know women seem to like them, usually the cushier kind, because they sit up high.

Most SUVs today to me are station wagons with a bit of lift and different styling.

My GTI is kind of a micro SUV.  It probably has more room in the back than some small SUVs, or about the same, but it doesn't sit high.

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« Reply #847 on: June 30, 2022, 10:32:59 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 10:01:11 AM
Yup, I understand why companies invest in SUVs and "halo" SUVs.  I know women seem to like them, usually the cushier kind, because they sit up high.

Most SUVs today to me are station wagons with a bit of lift and different styling.

My GTI is kind of a micro SUV.  It probably has more room in the back than some small SUVs, or about the same, but it doesn't sit high.


But you GTI has been engineered for people who actually enjoy driving a super competent vehicle that can grip in curves and the integration of the chassis, engine and transmission has been optimized for performance! A great vehicle for drivers- has been for a long time. 

Most SUVs are soft, mushy and cushy- great for people who just want to get from point A to point B.  Nothing about them is engaging to the driver. 

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« Reply #848 on: June 30, 2022, 10:43:00 AM »
I had a Ford Explorer as a rental vehicle in Montana a few years back.  I guess it was "OK", certainly not a driver's car at all.  Our "kids" have a Honda Oddessy I drove taking the grandkids to school and whatnot.  It drives pretty well for a minivan but I could not get comfortable in the seat, and the accelerator was hypertouchy, I deadened it by putting it into eco mode.

They are station wagons to me, though minivans I find very useful with kids.
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« Reply #849 on: June 30, 2022, 10:35:15 PM »
SUVs are an ugly mutt between a station wagon and a minivan

but, some folks like them, obviously the majority

we all have are own opinions and beauty or practicality is in the eye of the beholder

I prefer a sedan or coupe to drive

I prefer a truck to haul cargo
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #850 on: July 01, 2022, 08:06:27 AM »
The driver's position in SUVs is higher, women especially like that, then they can stare at the back of an SUV in front of them.

My wife wanted one until she drove one.  She liked that Explorer, as a passenger.

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« Reply #851 on: July 01, 2022, 08:13:16 AM »
Women also think the smaller SUVs are cute

many women here in the rural areas prefer the large models built on truck chassis

Suburbans, Expeditions, Escalades

better for hauling kids and groceries than their husband's pickups
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #852 on: July 01, 2022, 08:16:26 AM »
Yeah, the CUV market is kind of hilarious, and they almost never go off road, except by mistake.

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« Reply #853 on: July 02, 2022, 08:55:03 AM »
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