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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #616 on: July 15, 2020, 06:40:32 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 15, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
Light? Even a 2-door 2020 Wrangler Rubicon is a >2-ton vehicle...
Well, my 2017 JKU is lighter than my 2015 F150, so maybe that's what I'm talking about. :)
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #617 on: July 15, 2020, 06:47:00 PM »
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #618 on: July 15, 2020, 07:23:25 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 15, 2020, 06:47:00 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33310201/2021-ford-bronco-vs-jeep-wrangler-specs-compared/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR01M9K5l_PBo230fIFdpbYBhOnzaJBezIpjvjaZcXRQu3bDap1g3HetL8E
Yeah, Ford quite obviously looked closely at the Jeep Wrangler's specs and targeted them to match (or slightly exceed in upper trim packages).

But the Jeep has a solid front axle and the Ford has IFS, and for a lot of heavy duty rock-crawlers that's a deal-breaker.  

But for overlanding, the Bronco is likely better set-up even in their base packages.  
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #619 on: July 15, 2020, 07:25:28 PM »
Hmm, the approach and departure angles go Jeep....seems like only the top-of-the-line Sasquatch Bronco compares.  That's what I look at mostly.

A 7-speed manual would be weird....I wonder how often I'd forget I had a 6th and 7th gear, lol.  

Ah, Bilsteins....I went through a few of those on the Rez.  I don't like rock-crawling, I liked exploring and going fast off-road.  More like baja-style I guess.  
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #620 on: July 15, 2020, 07:26:21 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 15, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
Yeah, Ford quite obviously looked closely at the Jeep Wrangler's specs and targeted them to match (or slightly exceed in upper trim packages).

But the Jeep has a solid front axle and the Ford has IFS, and for a lot of heavy duty rock-crawlers that's a deal-breaker. 

But for overlanding, the Bronco is likely better set-up even in their base packages. 
Good summary I think.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #621 on: July 15, 2020, 07:32:14 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 15, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
Hmm, the approach and departure angles go Jeep....seems like only the top-of-the-line Sasquatch Bronco compares.  That's what I look at mostly.

A 7-speed manual would be weird....I wonder how often I'd forget I had a 6th and 7th gear, lol. 

Ah, Bilsteins....I went through a few of those on the Rez.  I don't like rock-crawling, I liked exploring and going fast off-road.  More like baja-style I guess. 
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 15, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Good summary I think.

I think the competition in the segment is going to be really good for consumers, ultimately.  To date, Jeep has really been able to dictate the market and tell its customers what they can, and can't, have.  The customers are now going to have a little more power in the relationship.

I've always liked the old vintage 60s/70s Broncos and, although the new one is  updated and "bubbly" as OAM pointed out (and I totally agree), it still has enough lines reminiscent of the original, to evoke my nostalgia-feelers. :)

One other thing that sets Jeep apart is the MASSIVE aftermarket for optional equipment.  Decades upon decades of available tweaks have allowed customers to customize almost infinitely, and the consumers in this market segment are going to still have that expectation, even though the Ford is brand-new.  How committed is Ford to the segment?  How long do they want to stick around?  That will have some determination on how many aftermarket 3rd party companies are willing to invest money into creating aftermarket products for the Bronco platform.

Should be lots of fun to watch it all play out. 


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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #622 on: July 16, 2020, 09:36:33 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 15, 2020, 06:15:54 PM
I keep noting that none of "us" generally can drive a C8 Corvette et al, at anything like its capabilities, so why have them?

Get a fun car, one with no doors maybe.
even way below it's capabilities, the C8 I think would be fun to drive
over kill, absolutely ............ fun, absolutely
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #623 on: July 16, 2020, 10:08:20 AM »
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/1963-chevrolet-corvette-z06-rare-big-tank-profile/?sm_id=organic_fb_AMAG_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR02kAGnHzfuALH7cBNd2-dqSi4J4FoXh-_iHxJ60tj63lxlOhBfH-08YI8

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/03/the-story-behind-the-1963-chevrolet-corvette-z06/



The Z06 was released to the public during the debut of the ’63 split-window Corvette, allowing enthusiasts track-ready enjoyment and impeccable style immediately after purchase. With the exclusive Z06 package came the arrival of many racing-derived parts such as massive cooled disc brakes, heavy-duty suspension and, in traditional motorsport fashion, a gargantuan 36.5 gallon fuel tank.
But of course, the masterpiece would not be complete without the absolutely phenomenal 327 small-block V8. Producing 360 hp and 352 lbs-ft. of torque, the Z06 hit 60 MPH in an impressive 5.9 seconds, giving drivers instantly competitive performance the moment they turned the key.
Truth be told though, the racing-spec Corvette was far from cheap, debuting with a base price nearly $800 dollars more than the mighty Jaguar E-Type. Likely due to the racing nature of the car and GM’s willingness to eschew sanctioned racing, the Z06 option was not even listed in the brochures. In the end, a total of 199 Z06-optioned Corvettes were produced, making the ’63 one very rare machine.


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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #624 on: July 16, 2020, 10:21:48 AM »
20 mpg?
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #625 on: July 16, 2020, 10:24:20 AM »
Maybe, was that claimed?  
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #626 on: July 16, 2020, 10:39:42 AM »
no idea, huge tank

my 70 nova with the 300hp 350 got about 20mpg - 411 gears - 60mph was turning around 3,000 rpm if I remember 1980 properly
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #627 on: July 16, 2020, 11:04:05 AM »
Depending on speed, with FI, it might get 20 mpg at 60 mph.  The rear ratio is not 4.11.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #628 on: July 17, 2020, 05:23:08 PM »
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #629 on: July 17, 2020, 11:18:22 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 17, 2020, 05:23:08 PM
https://jalopnik.com/an-extremely-detailed-look-into-the-ford-broncos-engine-1844389830

Interesting breakdown...
Yeah, lots of fun technical goodies in there.  

Jeep owners on the forums I peruse are actually pretty excited about the Bronco.  It looks pretty cool, appears to be a legitimate offroad vehicle in a way the FJ Cruiser only ever played at, and will likely create more competition in the market space, which is inevitably a good thing for consumers.

In a few years when the new-model-ness is gone and we have the discretionary income, I'd certainly consider getting one, just for fun.
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