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utee94 · « **Reply #3234 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:06:29 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on June 11, 2025, 09:52:45 AM

much street racing is rolling from 50-60 mph or so
pull up next to a fast car on the freeway and count 1-2-3

This is true. Tons of youtubes and tiktok reels of it. I imagine it's happening far more often than CD believes. Even with $200,000 cars.

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2025, 09:41:40 AM

It's not to see who the faster driver is... It's who's got the faster car. The driver's just sitting there pushing the accelerator.

Oh, also... this has ALWAYS been a big part of it, for people that like to do it. They pay a lot of money for their cars, they pay a lot of money for upgrades to their cars, and/or they spend a lot of time working on their cars to make them faster. How fast the CAR is, is precisely the point.

Otherwise they might as well all just jump in identical Volkswagen Passats to test their own individual skill. But aside from IROC, nobody's doing that...

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3235 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:12:43 AM »

I don't know how often it happens. It doesn't happen much where I see it, and I live on a busy road. I do hear unmuffled Dodges roaring about at times for no reason.

I'd guess I could buy some fancy Audi with quattro and get it flashed and go faster than a ZR 1.

It's not my thing, someone somewhere will have something faster. Someone somewhere will "flash" a ZR1 and get 1500 hp.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #3236 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:17:31 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2025, 10:12:43 AM

I don't know how often it happens. It doesn't happen much where I see it, and I live on a busy road. I do hear unmuffled Dodges roaring about at times for no reason.

I'd guess I could buy some fancy Audi with quattro and get it flashed and go faster than a ZR 1.

It's not my thing, someone somewhere will have something faster. Someone somewhere will "flash" a ZR1 and get 1500 hp.

That's why it doesn't happen much.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3237 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:29:42 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on June 11, 2025, 09:57:23 AM

Why does it need to "tell you" anything? It's fun. It's fun to drive as fast as you can, even if you're not that skilled at it.

People who aren't particularly fast runners, still like to race one another. People who aren't particularly smart, still like to compete at trivia games.

Good Lord don't tell me you're joining CD and the Anti-Fun Grumpy Old Men Brigade???

No, I get it. Mashing your foot on the accelerator and getting thrown back into your seat is fun. No argument there.

You said it's "unrealistic" for them to take their hot rod out onto a road track. I personally don't think it's *that* unrealistic. You could go to COTA and get on the track this weekend. Now, that's a very famous (and expensive) track... For a lot less those of us in SoCal can get on our local tracks.

I'm saying a lot of people who buy these cars, let's say a Mustang Dark Horse, built for the track, will come up with every excuse why it's unrealistic to do a track day. It's not because it's actually unrealistic. It's because they're afraid they'll get there and have it be exposed that they can't keep up with a Miata driven by someone who actually knows what they're doing.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #3238 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:33:02 AM »

Almost all machines - if not all machines - are far more capable than we are capable of using them for.

This is true of my car, my boat, my computer, and probably my screwdriver.

FearlessF · « **Reply #3239 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:36:34 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2025, 10:29:42 AM

It's because they're afraid they'll get there and have it be exposed that they can't keep up with a Miata driven by someone who actually knows what they're doing.

I'm afraid of the expense. I haven't even looked into it. Not many options in my area.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3240 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:37:12 AM »

I learned that on the track at COTA driving a 2018 Cadillac. It was WAY more car than I could use.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #3241 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:41:25 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2025, 10:33:02 AM

Almost all machines - if not all machines - are far more capable than we are capable of using them for.

This is true of my car, my boat, my computer, and probably my screwdriver.

And probably our brains. Or at least it's more capable than we are willing to use it for.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3242 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:41:57 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on June 11, 2025, 10:36:34 AM

I'm afraid of the expense. I haven't even looked into it. Not many options in my area.

Yeah, I tried to look up tracks in Iowa, and IIRC only one came up--and I think it closed.

That said, if you have an $80,000 car, are you really worried about the couple of hundred bucks you need for a track day? I mean, the one I posted for COTA was like $1200 for a weekend... But IMHO that's because it's COTA. The one I posted for SoCal tracks was maybe $200-300 for a weekend.

Although I would point out that one other aspect is people being scared they're going to wreck their cars. Which admittedly is a risk... And not likely to be covered by insurance.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3243 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:44:37 AM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on June 11, 2025, 10:41:25 AM

And probably our brains. Or at least it's more capable than we are willing to use it for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5c8UL1oH1w

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3244 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:46:30 AM »

One thing about a track "day" is tires. You can pretty much go through some pretty expensive rubber in a day. Our Caddy's had a new set of tires after one day.

That could cost more than renting time.

utee94 · « **Reply #3245 on:** June 11, 2025, 10:47:18 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2025, 10:29:42 AM

No, I get it. Mashing your foot on the accelerator and getting thrown back into your seat is fun. No argument there.

You said it's "unrealistic" for them to take their hot rod out onto a road track. I personally don't think it's *that* unrealistic. You could go to COTA and get on the track this weekend. Now, that's a very famous (and expensive) track... For a lot less those of us in SoCal can get on our local tracks.

I think you're making assumptions on behalf of a population you don't really know about. We don't have to speculate, we have our very own Corvette-owning speed demon right here in our midst, we can conduct some research and find some real answers.

Quote from: FearlessF on June 11, 2025, 10:36:34 AM

I'm afraid of the expense. I haven't even looked into it. Not many options in my area.

Ah well, there you have it, the research is right here for us to analyze.

FearlessF · « **Reply #3246 on:** June 11, 2025, 11:13:30 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2025, 10:41:57 AM

Yeah, I tried to look up tracks in Iowa, and IIRC only one came up--and I think it closed.

That said, if you have an $80,000 car, are you really worried about the couple of hundred bucks you need for a track day? I mean, the one I posted for COTA was like $1200 for a weekend... But IMHO that's because it's COTA. The one I posted for SoCal tracks was maybe $200-300 for a weekend.

Although I would point out that one other aspect is people being scared they're going to wreck their cars. Which admittedly is a risk... And not likely to be covered by insurance.

I know a few guys that will spend 2-300 bucks for a day at the track, and drive quite a way to get there. They make a weekend of it.
Yes, they have more $$$ than me and Z06's and more expensive cars as well.
my feeling is that I've not been to the track yet at 62 years of age, so I can save the $7500 for Z51 package, and the expense of the track weekends.
I'd rather waste less money on the golf course in my Yamaha

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3247 on:** June 11, 2025, 11:18:46 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2025, 10:46:30 AM

One thing about a track "day" is tires. You can pretty much go through some pretty expensive rubber in a day. Our Caddy's had a new set of tires after one day.

That could cost more than renting time.

That is a good point. I know I didn't want to be riding worn tires when I took the motorcycle out on track days. The more heat cycles you've had on a tire, the less grippy it gets. And on a bike the physical consequences of those two little contact patches not gripping can be a little more extreme than sliding off track in a 4-wheel car...

That said, you might burn through a lot of tire drag racing too...

I would point out though that doing a track day or two on a set of tires doesn't "burn through them". You'll still have plenty of tread and they'll still be completely suitable for normal street driving. They just won't be nearly as grippy as they'd be new.

Quote from: utee94 on June 11, 2025, 10:47:18 AM

I think you're making assumptions on behalf of a population you don't really know about. We don't have to speculate, we have our very own Corvette-owning speed demon right here in our midst, we can conduct some research and find some real answers.
Ah well, there you have it, the research is right here for us to analyze.

We're using the anecdote of a single dirt farmer in Iowa for this analysis? He just wants something shiny to go to/from the golf course and impress chicks

That said, if we're talking anecdotes... We have CD who has participated in a Cadillac track day experience. We have me who has participated in a Ferrari autocross experience and who has done multiple motorcycle track days. (And who has opined about how fun it would be to buy a "track car" but just can't justify the cost for something like that.) We have multiple posters who have talked about the fun of driving twisty roads.

I'd venture that those who seek out "road racing" type driving experiences are a slightly different breed than those who seek out "drag racing" type driving experiences. While I'm sure there's some overlap in that Venn diagram as the two are perhaps just different expressions of the "I wanna go FAST" gene, I think even in that overlap most would show a very strong preference for one type of experience over the other...

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