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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1904 on: March 03, 2024, 09:48:34 AM »
the C8 seems fun to drive for an unaccomplished driver like me

sporty and fun everywhere I've driven so far.

just went to the golf course and back yesterday

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1905 on: March 03, 2024, 10:14:17 AM »
I was idly pondering which car type would be most fun to drive on a track, and it depends on whether the track is very tight or pretty open.  I think for a while anyway, on an open track like COTA or Road Atlanta something with enormous power would be a thrill for unaccomplished drivers (like me).
I believe "fun" often has to do with knowing you're not just driving a vehicle fast, but that you're pushing its limits. 

The problem with supercars is that their limits as vehicles >>>>>> our limits as drivers. And when you exceed their limits? Yeah, it's gonna get painful. 

That's why something like a Miata makes such a great racetrack car. Something like that you can push at 10/10ths without bringing a 190mph crash into the picture. You're going to have more fun than the supercar, but with less death. 

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1906 on: March 03, 2024, 10:18:21 AM »
The C8 is one of my favorites, but I agree, a Miata could be more fun.  I drove a Ferrari Scuderia in Las Vegas (it was a present) and I wasn't really having much fun.  The CTS-V on COTA was pretty fun, but I know I wasn't really pushing any limits.

I think a C8 convertible would be under $100 K and probably is fun at times.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1907 on: March 03, 2024, 10:35:11 AM »
the C8 seems fun to drive for an unaccomplished driver like me

sporty and fun everywhere I've driven so far.

just went to the golf course and back
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/chevy-corvette-c8-best-car-ever-driven/


GM hit it out of the park with their Magnetic Ride Control suspension many years back when they developed it.  So much so that it is now being copied by several of the exotic brands.  It the set up in my Blackwing and it is so good- it is hard to describe unless you drive it. The balance of ride smoothness and performance handling is unmatched. 

I used to think- as did the car gurus and talking heads- that German cars (mostly BMW) were the masters in that attribute.  Now GM is the leader.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1908 on: March 03, 2024, 10:38:50 AM »
Our 2016 CTS had MRC on it, and it was quite firm actually.  The difference between Sport and Normal was very slight.  But it cornered quite well, very flat of course, it was impressive, even though that car had a 4 cyinder engine and AWD.  It was the slowest CTS of the series, but actually pretty fun on twisties.

The GTI had a softer more compliant ride on Normal.  

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1909 on: March 03, 2024, 10:42:34 AM »
Utee,

I think I remember you needing over 10K of towing.  and therefore the 3/4 ton which isn't available anymore
_________________________________________ 8200???

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8,000+ Pounds Of Towing

As far as towing with the Duramax diesel option is concerned, a formidable 8,200 pounds of trailering capacity is available on Tahoe (rear-wheel drive models). On Suburban, 8,100 pounds of maximum towing is on the table (again, in a rear-wheel drive configuration). GM’s Max Trailering Package includes an integrated trailer brake controller as well as Hitch View, Hill Decent Control and Blind Zone Steering Assist with Trailering technologies.


Yup, 8200 won't cut it.  Fully wet and loaded my trailer can get up to ~8500 lbs.  Towing capacity of my current F150 is 11,200.  You can get them up to 14,000 but that would be with a standard cab and without 4x4.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1910 on: March 03, 2024, 10:54:16 AM »
What portion of towing capacity is related to brakes as opposed to torque and axle ratio etc.?

I know "they" run tests out west somewhere pulling a trailer up some mountain and back down.  Are these towing weights "official" numbers or kind of made up?  Are they all calculated the same way?

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1911 on: March 03, 2024, 10:57:47 AM »
Towing Capacity Guide - How is Towing Capacity Calculated? - Blue Ox

1. Calculate GCVWR
To assess your vehicle’s towing capability, you’ll need to know the total GCVWR of the vehicle and trailer you’ll be towing, as well as all the cargo that both the vehicle and trailer will carry. This includes everything from the passengers in the vehicle to all of the cargo in the trailer.
2. Calculate Curb Weight
Next you’ll need to know your tow vehicle’s curb weight. As a reminder, this is the weight of the tow vehicle while it’s full of gas and all the fluids it uses while driving. This is different from the GVWR (how much the vehicle can carry). 
3. Calculate Final Towing Capacity
To get the vehicle’s towing capacity, subtract the curb weight from the GCVWR. Manufacturers typically emphasize that you should never exceed your vehicle’s towing capability. It is generally a good rule of thumb to never come within 10% of that sum. This gives you a small margin for error in your calculations and ensures that you will be towing a weight that is safe. 
Can Towing Capacity Be Increased?
Towing capacity may be increased by using several pieces of travel trailer towing accessories. Towing accessories that match your present tow grade are best, rather than lower-rated equipment that limits towing capacity. Just keep in mind that you should not surpass the capacity of your towing setup’s lowest-rated component.


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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1912 on: March 03, 2024, 10:59:08 AM »
How Tow Rating Is Determined on the Most Popular Trucks (roadandtrack.com)

The truck used in Fenske's demonstration is a new Ram Heavy Duty, complete with a dually rear end and a 6.7-liter turbo-diesel Cummins straight-six making 1000 lb-ft of torque. For each test, the truck must be towing the maximum load recommended by the manufacturer, meaning this Ram is pulling just under 40,000 pounds.
The acceleration test requires single-wheel trucks to do 0-30 mph in 12 seconds, 0-60 mph in 30 seconds, and 40-60 mph in 18 seconds; those times increase to 14, 35, and 21 seconds, respectively, for dually models. Those times might sound like an eternity in the car world, but for a vehicle pulling the equivalent of 16 new Miatas, it's not bad. The truck must be able to brake from 20 mph to zero in 45 feet with trailer brakes, or 80 feet without.
In terms of handling, the truck needs to be able to maintain understeer as it accelerates on a circular skid pad from 0.1 g to 0.3 g of lateral acceleration. This ensures the truck won't lose control of its rear end (and therefore the trailer) during hard cornering scenarios. In a quick direction-change sway test, the trailer must remain stable and secure without excessive oscillation.
The final test is called the Highway Grade / Davis Dam test, which wasn't performed in Fenske's video. It requires that the truck be able to tow its maximum trailer weight up a specific 11.4-mile uphill stretch of road in Arizona. For this test to be run correctly, it must be at least 100 degrees Fahrenheit outside, and the air conditioning must be on its maximum setting using outside air. The truck must maintain a minimum speed of 40 mph (35 mph for a dually), and it can't throw any error codes or burn any fluids during the test.



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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1913 on: March 03, 2024, 11:08:03 AM »
I like the David be Damned test
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1914 on: March 04, 2024, 08:42:42 PM »
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1915 on: March 06, 2024, 09:57:42 PM »
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1916 on: March 06, 2024, 10:25:19 PM »
162 HP!!!!

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1917 on: March 07, 2024, 08:31:12 AM »
everything is relative
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