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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13650 on: May 06, 2021, 02:57:13 PM »
all very good points

I hope there is no correlation 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13651 on: May 08, 2021, 10:53:26 AM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13652 on: May 08, 2021, 10:54:21 AM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13653 on: May 08, 2021, 11:03:21 AM »
We need to double that number, at least. Lots of reluctance/refusal out there. Far too many are taking a pass.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13654 on: May 08, 2021, 11:13:16 AM »
We need to double that number, at least. Lots of reluctance/refusal out there. Far too many are taking a pass.
currently we are on track to reach 65% by July 22

herd immunity is within reach

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13655 on: May 09, 2021, 08:37:39 AM »
Are people still wearing masks?

I do not, unless it's required.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13656 on: May 09, 2021, 08:39:14 AM »
not unless it's required

and the sign might still be posted, but no one says a thing if you don't have a mask on
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13657 on: May 09, 2021, 09:00:40 AM »
Well...

Coronavirus & Lab Leak: Theory Looking Plausible | National Review
Coronavirus & Lab Leak: Theory Looking Plausible | National Review

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13658 on: May 09, 2021, 09:16:21 AM »
Well...

Coronavirus & Lab Leak: Theory Looking Plausible | National Review
Coronavirus & Lab Leak: Theory Looking Plausible | National Review


Paywall so I couldn't read it.


But, I thought we pretty much already knew it leaked from a lab, right?  Not that it was intentionally released, but there's plenty of evidence that points to it being cultivated in a lab.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13659 on: May 09, 2021, 09:22:33 AM »
Paywall so I couldn't read it.


But, I thought we pretty much already knew it leaked from a lab, right?  Not that it was intentionally released, but there's plenty of evidence that points to it being cultivated in a lab.
Nicholas Wade is not an alarmist, and not a conspiracy theorist. He is one of the most eminent science journalists in the country, having done stints at Science and the New York Times, and he has released a very long, technical, and (if you’re into that sort of thing) riveting article on Medium weighing the evidence on the origin of COVID-19. Did it emerge naturally from an animal species to infect people in Wuhan, possibly at a wet market? Or did it leak out from the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

Where I think it is most convincing is in describing the lack of plausibility of natural emergence:

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No one has found the bat population that was the source of SARS2, if indeed it ever infected bats. No intermediate host has presented itself, despite an intensive search by Chinese authorities that included the testing of 80,000 animals. There is no evidence of the virus making multiple independent jumps from its intermediate host to people, as both the SARS1 and MERS viruses did. There is no evidence from hospital surveillance records of the epidemic gathering strength in the population as the virus evolved. There is no explanation of why a natural epidemic should break out in Wuhan and nowhere else. There is no good explanation of how the virus acquired its furin cleavage site, which no other SARS-related beta-coronavirus possesses, nor why the site is composed of human-preferred codons. The natural emergence theory battles a bristling array of implausibilities.
Wade weighed up what kind of evidence we do have about the virus itself, the lab, the safety protocols, and the grants funded by the NIH and NIAD, under Doctors Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci. They, and common sense, all point in one direction:

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Dr. Shi set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. Her plan was to take genes that coded for spike proteins possessing a variety of measured affinities for human cells, ranging from high to low. She would insert these spike genes one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes (“reverse genetics” and “infectious clone technology”), creating a series of chimeric viruses. These chimeric viruses would then be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures (“in vitro”) and humanized mice (“in vivo”). And this information would help predict the likelihood of “spillover,” the jump of a coronavirus from bats to people.
The methodical approach was designed to find the best combination of coronavirus backbone and spike protein for infecting human cells. The approach could have generated SARS2-like viruses, and indeed may have created the SARS2 virus itself with the right combination of virus backbone and spike protein.
It cannot yet be stated that Dr. Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so.
In other words, this is no longer really just a lab-leak theory; the evidence points to a lab-created theory, too. Now, before you go off, the evidence still also points to something like accident. But a reckless one and an eminently foreseeable one. One that virologists, and their sponsors, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, were warned about.

Wade also weighs in on the credulity of other science journalists, and the larger media — their inherent bias against theories floated by Donald Trump himself.

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People round the world who have been pretty much confined to their homes for the last year might like a better answer than their media are giving them. Perhaps one will emerge in time. After all, the more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide. The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.
Indeed. What would that look like? Read the whole thing.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13660 on: May 09, 2021, 10:52:02 AM »
World data:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13661 on: May 10, 2021, 07:41:29 AM »
Florida last week.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13662 on: May 10, 2021, 09:39:44 AM »
We need to double that number, at least. Lots of reluctance/refusal out there. Far too many are taking a pass.
Yup. And a high number of the holdouts are very braggart about refusing to get vaccinated.

On the one hand live and let die. On the other hand, the more virus is circulating the more likely it is that one hits the mutation jackpot and beats the vaccines at rates above background noise.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13663 on: May 10, 2021, 09:48:52 AM »
Yup. And a high number of the holdouts are very braggart about refusing to get vaccinated.

On the one hand live and let die. On the other hand, the more virus is circulating the more likely it is that one hits the mutation jackpot and beats the vaccines at rates above background noise.

The risk of this happening in the USA among scores of millions of unvaccinated Americans, is far FAR less than the risk of this happening elsewhere in the world where there will be BILLIONS of unvaccinated people for a very long time.  And if the mutation is virulent and infectious enough to work around the current vaccines, then it's going to make its way back into the USA quite easily, as more Americans begin traveling again, and more outsiders begin coming into the USA once again.

In other words, it's pretty much irrelevant whether or not enough Americans get the vaccine to push us to herd immunity, from the standpoint of avoiding dangerous mutations.

There are obviously plenty of other reasons for Americans to get vaccinated, not the least of which is avoiding getting sick.  

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