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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7000 on: July 17, 2020, 12:57:39 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 17, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
I agree. And since everyone else who is canceled is going without pay...
We'll have 3.5 million more people getting unemployment.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7001 on: July 17, 2020, 01:00:14 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 17, 2020, 12:56:08 PM
And your post is condescending. You don't like my opinion, then ignore it as I will share it non the less.  But I know that offends your sensibilities as only those views you agree with are permitted.
No, I'm not going to just allow your spread of misinformation.  Sorry/not sorry.  The earth isn't flat, bud.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7002 on: July 17, 2020, 01:01:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2020, 11:05:00 AM
This is where you show you're out of your depth here.  You're posting this for a disease that is 70-80% asymptomatic.  Please stop.
You first.

If someone is asymptomatic, exactly how are they spreading the virus? If are not coughing and sneezing the presence of other people, how are they spreading it? I've been told it's not the actual virus itself, but water droplets that it is attached too. Are these people spitting on you? Are they french kissing you against your will?

If you have a problem with actual discussion, I don't know what to tell you. I've put myself out there telling what I think and my observations. So far, you nor anyone else has convinced me that I am wrong as the data that I've seen/read seems to contradict itself many times. What that happens, I start to look at why these things are being perpetuated. In other words, I know bullshit when I see it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7003 on: July 17, 2020, 01:04:18 PM »
Every district I know here in AZ is offering 3 options, once the online-only mandate expires:
1 - in-person
2 - online quarter-by-quarter, then in-person when the parents deem it safe
3 - online only for the whole year


Online learning was poor in the spring because it was a sudden, unplanned switch.  It should be better in the fall and going forward.  If you find it's exactly the same as the spring, your school district sucks.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7004 on: July 17, 2020, 01:05:40 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 17, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
Got links to those studies?
Who would gain by getting Americans (and the entire rest of the world) to "submit" to wearing masks?
This is from the New England Journal of Medicine. I consider it credible.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

This one is a review of existing studies. 
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7005 on: July 17, 2020, 01:08:27 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 17, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
You first.

If someone is asymptomatic, exactly how are they spreading the virus? If are not coughing and sneezing the presence of other people, how are they spreading it? I've been told it's not the actual virus itself, but water droplets that it is attached too. Are these people spitting on you? Are they french kissing you against your will?

They're doing all the same things that traditionally spread germs.  They're rubbing their eyes, picking their nose, cough from a dry throat, etc and before washing their hands for a particular reason, they're using doorknobs, typing in pin numbers, high-fiving friends and shaking acquaintance's hands.  Do you really not know this???

If you have a problem with actual discussion, I don't know what to tell you. I've put myself out there telling what I think and my observations. So far, you nor anyone else has convinced me that I am wrong as the data that I've seen/read seems to contradict itself many times. What that happens, I start to look at why these things are being perpetuated. In other words, I know bullshit when I see it.

I tend to doubt anything is going to convince you that you're wrong, unless it's an obscure, far-right website the rest of the world deems absurd.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7006 on: July 17, 2020, 01:08:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
No, I'm not going to just allow your spread of misinformation.  Sorry/not sorry.  The earth isn't flat, bud.
Who died and made you king of all Covid information? Again, if you don't care for what I post, don't read it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7007 on: July 17, 2020, 01:10:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2020, 01:08:27 PM
I tend to doubt anything is going to convince you that you're wrong, unless it's an obscure, far-right website the rest of the world deems absurd.
It sure won't be a closed minded, left wing activist that will change my mind. Again, I have read/listened to arguments from all sides and what I have seen to date tells me that the whole mask thing is mostly bullshit. Again, if you don't agree, so be it. You do you and I'll do me. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7008 on: July 17, 2020, 01:10:38 PM »
You bypass/skip/ignore the 20 studies that say you're wrong so that you can cite the 2 that agree with you.  Again, stop it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7009 on: July 17, 2020, 01:16:36 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 17, 2020, 01:05:40 PM
This is from the New England Journal of Medicine. I consider it credible.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

That is an opinion piece, from April 1, with no data.  It also says wearing a mask without also emphasizing other items like hand washing MAY be a disadvantage, maybe.

The only reason to consider it credible is if one believed it already.  There is quite a bit of other work that includes hard data and says masks reduce transfer significantly, and then there is the obvious experience of Asian countries where mask wearing is socially demanded.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7010 on: July 17, 2020, 01:30:27 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 17, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
You first.

If someone is asymptomatic, exactly how are they spreading the virus? If are not coughing and sneezing the presence of other people, how are they spreading it? I've been told it's not the actual virus itself, but water droplets that it is attached too. Are these people spitting on you? Are they french kissing you against your will?



This would imply that if I was asymptomatic, I wouldn't cough or sneeze at all, and I do both. 

Shoot, have I had corona for years?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7011 on: July 17, 2020, 01:33:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2020, 12:57:39 PM
We'll have 3.5 million more people getting unemployment.
Not necessarily. It would be an interesting case.

In my experience as employer, I've fought off a lot of unemployment claims made by people who voluntarily left my company, and I won them all.

If there are teachers (entire unions??) who voluntarily choose to not report to work, how is that different?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7012 on: July 17, 2020, 01:34:32 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 17, 2020, 01:05:40 PM

This one is a review of existing studies.
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

That second one feels all sorts of dodgy. 

We're living in a weird age of dodgy content. I made some comments about hope mongering earlier, and it strikes me as an interesting phenomenon. 

Anyway, it's entirely possible the mask thing isn't helping all that much, but the reasons often brought forth don't seem to have a tone of backing. But I find myself thinking about QB battles and their logic. You can call for the QB to be benched because you think the backup is better. The logical underpinnings of that are probably not very strong at all, but you might also turn out to be correct. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7013 on: July 17, 2020, 01:35:14 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 17, 2020, 01:33:57 PM
Not necessarily. It would be an interesting case.

In my experience as employer, I've fought off a lot of unemployment claims made by people who voluntarily left my company, and I won them all.

If there are teachers (entire unions??) who voluntarily choose to not report to work, how is that different?
I'm just curious.

Like they just said "I quit" and then went on unemployment?
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