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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5782 on: June 24, 2020, 04:41:45 PM »
Remember a couple of weeks ago when all these people were saying how warm weather would stop the virus?

Welp...

With all of this exponential growth, what happens when K-12 and college starts back up again?

At this point I think our only hope is a vaccine. 
I don't know what schools are going to do. My youngest is supposed to start kindergarten. The feeling is they are going to have some sort of limited schedule. Like going two or three days a week. But they haven't announced anything.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5783 on: June 24, 2020, 04:52:05 PM »
Opening up the schools may be the way to herd immunity??

Anyone smarter than me care to opine? @bwarbiany ??
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« Reply #5784 on: June 24, 2020, 04:57:36 PM »
I haven't heard that for a long time. Dr. Fauci brought it up as a possibility early on, as it's been noted that the virus doesn't like heat and humidity.

We cannot lock down again, that much is certain.
Yup, folks are gonna have to wear masks.  

And everywhere that reopens indoor spaces, is going to get another surge. It's not going away.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5785 on: June 24, 2020, 05:11:08 PM »
Neither is a wave of poverty if they don't open up
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« Reply #5786 on: June 24, 2020, 05:26:20 PM »
Opening up the schools may be the way to herd immunity??

Anyone smarter than me care to opine? @bwarbiany ??
"The way to herd immunity" is the way to hundreds of thousands of deaths... Most think we need >70% infection rates to get to herd immunity, and it's unlikely we're above 5% nationally right now--with ~125K deaths to date. 

The hope with this thing HAS to be to manage a slow burn until we either find a miracle treatment that drastically reduces the mortality rate, or we get a vaccine. That doesn't mean keep the world locked down; that means doing the things within our power to keep infections as low as we can. 

Kids need to go back to school. If we were to keep them out of school an entire additional school year, the damage to their academic development will be a disaster. Given that they are the lowest-risk demographic that exists, the risk to them is small. 

But the risk to the rest of us is MUCH higher. A kid who goes to school and contracts COVID brings it home to his/her parents, who then become another potential vector of spread. What if the parents are health care workers? Nursing home employees? First responders of some type or another? What if they have an elderly relative in the household? 

So if we want a slow burn, we don't just toss them in school and hope they get COVID-19, we put them in school with physical distancing guidelines, masks, limited class sizes, etc, everything we can do to help reduce the spread while they're at school.

My kids are currently slated to go back to school in August. Apparently the school is making masks optional. I have made it VERY clear to them that no matter what the school says, *I* say they're mandatory. And that I'll reach out to their teachers at the beginning of the year so that their teachers understand that they are expected to wear them and if they don't that the teachers should contact me. 

I said it above, and I'll say it again. Herd immunity is not the exit strategy we should be hoping for. We should be hoping to minimize infections and deaths until we develop a better exit strategy (treatment or vaccine). 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5787 on: June 24, 2020, 05:31:25 PM »
Where does that 70% come from?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5788 on: June 24, 2020, 05:36:00 PM »
Where does that 70% come from?
I've seen that passed around as an estimate.  It depends on R naught obviously.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5789 on: June 24, 2020, 05:36:33 PM »
The campaign blames protesters and, of course, the media for the low turnout. Had they been more on the ball they could have easily had the rally with social distancing and masks and looked a lot better and also not been as irresponsible.
Was thinking about this today when I saw the tv ratings which were incredibly high( just under 8 Million)
and another roughly 10 Million between streaming digital and online. 
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« Reply #5790 on: June 24, 2020, 05:37:45 PM »
Where does that 70% come from?
I saw it in a post from Johns Hopkins

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

One issue with herd immunity is we aren't certain how immunity will work with Covid. 

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« Reply #5791 on: June 24, 2020, 05:38:02 PM »
It's not houndreds of thousands of deaths not even close.I take that back keep closing businesses and good people will be done playing by the rulz - it will surpass that but it won't be from covid
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« Reply #5792 on: June 24, 2020, 05:39:02 PM »
Was thinking about this today when I saw the tv ratings which were incredibly high( just under 8 Million)
and another roughly 10 Million between streaming digital and online.
I watched a bit of it. It had the feel of a train wreck you could watch on Hulu.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5793 on: June 24, 2020, 05:39:14 PM »
Georgia is putting up some really bad numbers now.  By end of May, 5 weeks after the reopening, the state was still dropping slowly, around 500 new cases per day.  The current rate is over 3x that.  Hospital beds up from 800 to about 1100.

Not good news.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5794 on: June 24, 2020, 05:40:31 PM »
My guess is baseball tries to start up and then gets stopped.

CFB - maybe 2% chance of playing a single game.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5795 on: June 24, 2020, 05:41:26 PM »
Where does that 70% come from?
Herd immunity is largely a function of how transmissible a disease is.

With the measles, it's SO insanely contagious that you need 92-95% immunity before you can declare herd immunity. 

We don't know the exact R0 of COVID-19. The evidence suggests it's significantly higher than influenza. It's not anywhere near measles. So we have to give it a rough estimate, not an exact number. 

The estimates I've seen from credible sources range in the 60-80% interval, so I took the midpoint. 

Mayo clinic cites a 70% number: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
Johns Hopkins is the same: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

I'm not going to make the 70% my hill to die on. Maybe it's 40%. Maybe it's 90%. 

What I do believe strongly is that the number is FAR higher than current infection rates, so I'm more than willing to stand by my "hundreds of thousand more deaths" prediction before herd immunity is reached.

 

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