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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3472 on: May 05, 2020, 09:29:57 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2020, 02:28:26 AM
Because we've morphed from a population that generally followed the facts to one where it's funny/cool to be a flat-earther and deny any and all experts.  People think it started in a Wuhan lab because they WANT to believe it started in a Wuhan lab and for no other reason.
Well even if YOU ignore the data and facts about HOW it started, certainly we now KNOW that the first explosion of cases in the world happened in Wuhan.  We also now KNOW the CCP lied about human to human transmission further propelling the virus onto the rest of the world, while they began hoarding supplies. 

The evidence that it escaped a Wuhan lab where we KNOW they were working with corona virus and bats, is highly circumstantial, but overwhelmingly high in volume. 

So you can OfA, you can have your political cake and eat it too. You can say the person in the oval house completely failed in handling the virus for this country if that is your narrative.  But you CANT deny it started proliferation to the world from China, and the guy in the office had nothing to do with that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3473 on: May 05, 2020, 09:31:50 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2020, 08:21:07 AM
What the hell are you talking about? I trust experts who I deem trustworthy. I trust Dr. Birx. I no longer trust Dr. Fauci.


I've NEVER trusted China, but I respected them. Now they've lost that too. F the CCP.
China and Russia should never be trusted or respected. Is that political?  Cause I kinda think it’s a fact...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3474 on: May 05, 2020, 09:37:21 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 05, 2020, 09:29:57 AM


The evidence that it escaped a Wuhan lab where we KNOW they were working with corona virus and bats, is highly circumstantial, but overwhelmingly high in volume. 
Again, zero evidence it escaped from a lab. That includes circumstantial evidence.

Wuhan is a big city. Research happens in big cities all over the world. There was a lab there doing virus research. So what?

I’d be willing to bet every single school in the big 10 does virus research at their labs, and I’ll even bet they do COV research and have done it since long before this outbreak. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3475 on: May 05, 2020, 09:38:47 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 05, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
Just back from Kroger, they are out of TP - STIL!!!! Short on meat and cleaning products (spray types), pretty OK with everything else.  Traffic was very light for this time of day.  I think a lot of folks realize they can "work from home" just fine.

I was musing about folks in NYC living in 60 story buildings.  We're restricted to two people per elevator and one can miss one ride, it's not really an issue here, but in a 60 story building?

We looked at one condo on the 28th floor, the balcony was scary for us.
I've been wondering about that, too. I can't imagine what a pain it must be to maintain social distancing in those circumstances.

An old girlfriend of mine lived in Manhattan on the 5th floor of a 10-story walk-up-- no elevators at all.  Those staircases were narrow, not really even room for two people to pass one another side by side.  That's not a great situation, either.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3476 on: May 05, 2020, 09:53:55 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 05, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
Just back from Kroger, they are out of TP - STIL!!!! Short on meat and cleaning products (spray types), pretty OK with everything else.  Traffic was very light for this time of day.  I think a lot of folks realize they can "work from home" just fine.

I was musing about folks in NYC living in 60 story buildings.  We're restricted to two people per elevator and one can miss one ride, it's not really an issue here, but in a 60 story building?

We looked at one condo on the 28th floor, the balcony was scary for us.
I found Target good to TP.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3477 on: May 05, 2020, 09:55:42 AM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 05, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
Again, zero evidence it escaped from a lab. That includes circumstantial evidence.

Wuhan is a big city. Research happens in big cities all over the world. There was a lab there doing virus research. So what?

I’d be willing to bet every single school in the big 10 does virus research at their labs, and I’ll even bet they do COV research and have done it since long before this outbreak.
Usually your takes have some clarity to them. your telling me that the fact that the Wuhan Lab nearest the start of the explosive outbreak, openly works ( have for years) with Corona Virus in RARE bats - is just a coincidence more than it is circumstantial evidence?

And your support for that is “ your willing to bet” Big Ten Schools work with Corona virus?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3478 on: May 05, 2020, 09:58:30 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 05, 2020, 09:53:55 AM
I found Target good to TP.
Convenience stores have seemed to have it as well.  Small packages and pricey, of course, but in a pinch...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3479 on: May 05, 2020, 10:02:06 AM »
I have plenty of TP here for us.  I just am amazed that folks apparently are still buying it up.  We were in Costco Friday and they had it lined up in the aisles, tons of it, and most people were not buying it.  We didn't either.

I still don't understand the rush on TP.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3480 on: May 05, 2020, 10:14:43 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2020, 02:28:26 AM
Because we've morphed from a population that generally followed the facts to one where it's funny/cool to be a flat-earther and deny any and all experts.  People think it started in a Wuhan lab because they WANT to believe it started in a Wuhan lab and for no other reason.
People of all political persuasions--you included--tend to follow the "facts" when the facts support their political/ideological/personal beliefs and distrust them when they don't.
Recall our conversation a few weeks ago about military affairs where the facts did not support you, but you nevertheless continued to believe what you wanted to believe.
It's always much easier to see when "they" fail to follow the facts than it is when "we" ignore them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3481 on: May 05, 2020, 10:18:30 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 05, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
I've been wondering about that, too. I can't imagine what a pain it must be to maintain social distancing in those circumstances.

An old girlfriend of mine lived in Manhattan on the 5th floor of a 10-story walk-up-- no elevators at all.  Those staircases were narrow, not really even room for two people to pass one another side by side.  That's not a great situation, either.
Was that 10-story building 150 years old or something?
NYC has had an ordinance on the books since I think 1879 requiring apartment buildings over five stories to have an elevator.  That's why most of the apartment buildings (tenements) of the late 19th century were only five stories high.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3482 on: May 05, 2020, 10:19:18 AM »
Humans have a strong tendency to confirmation bias.  We were taught against that, and even so, it's a strong motivation.  I recall a number of examples we were given where a group latched on to some theory or explanation and simply wouldn't let it go, discounting contrary information and clinging to failing "facts" in support.

The usual path is "Form an opinion, then seek confirmation and ignore/discount counterfactual information".  With THIS group, that strikes me as being much less prevalent than with most groups, which is one reason this is such a good group.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3483 on: May 05, 2020, 10:21:02 AM »
My daughter lived in a four story walk up on 87th, she was on two fortunately.  All the apartments in that area seemed to be four floors.  It was an efficiency, $1650 a month for the first year, and we to pay an "apartment finder" to find the thing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3484 on: May 05, 2020, 10:23:19 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on May 05, 2020, 10:18:30 AM
Was that 10-story building 150 years old or something?
NYC has had an ordinance on the books since I think 1879 requiring apartment buildings over five stories to have an elevator.  That's why most of the apartment buildings (tenements) of the late 19th century were only five stories high.
Yeah it was really old.  No idea when it was built.  And perhaps it just didn't have a working elevator...?  I never saw one and nobody used one, during the week I stayed with her up there.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3485 on: May 05, 2020, 10:26:39 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on May 05, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
Usually your takes have some clarity to them. your telling me that the fact that the Wuhan Lab nearest the start of the explosive outbreak, openly works ( have for years) with Corona Virus in RARE bats - is just a coincidence more than it is circumstantial evidence?

And your support for that is “ your willing to bet” Big Ten Schools work with Corona virus?
Over 12,300 scientific/scholarly articles written about Coronavirus in bats from all over the world.

Link

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