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If gramma got run over by a reindeer and died of internal trauma while it was determined she also had COVID-19, I say you don't put COVID-19 on the cause of death line.

If gramma had COPD, was overweight, had diabetes, and was admitted to the hospital and died of pneumonia and tested positive for COVID-19, then COVID-19 should go onto the cause of death line. There's no reason to believe gramma would have gotten pneumonia TODAY without COVID-19.

Why is this hard to understand?

Because Gramma got run over by a reindeer?

What was not understood by my post is... Lighten up.

We all need to lighten up. Friends. We're friends.

I used TT and got the deposit made.  I don't know why using TT would alter that.

Look it up.

If so, disregard my response as I couldn't tell if sarcastic. If not, please educate yourself on the subject.

I'm not questioning your accuracy just the people who said it but if they have a corona cure for animals WTF - does that make sense?And if they have a cure what the ails the animals why didn't researchers keep going.There is robo information regarding everything involving this and that just doesn't pass the say it out loud test. "We've found a corona cure for animals but we're gonna quit now we're tuckered out" - maybe if someone stayed the course this would have been nipped in the bud,they've had since 2003 as you pointed out

Same with Sweden. Sweden basically said "hey, this is serious, you should work from home, you should social distance, you should do all these things voluntarily because we don't want to mandate them", and the Swedes said "yeah, that sounds like a good idea..."

Whereas here in California, unless you physically close the beaches you get them swarmed when the weather gets hot like last weekend.

Sweden has no "lockdown" but people mostly act like there is a lockdown, whereas in California we have a lockdown that people aren't respecting.

So, in California, the average Joe doesn't trust the government to do the right thing?
California voting patterns don't seem to reflect that skepticism.
Not trying to rebut you in any way, Bwarb.  You are absolutely a voice of reason on this subject as far as I'm concerned.
But I've got two stepsons living in California whom I love greatly but whose political views I struggle to understand.

Yes, I do it every year.  I have to pay some amount on federal taxes and I get more than that back from state taxes. 
I don't need the check, but yeah, the fact that there is nothing proactive I can do about it isn't fun.

The IRS site changed a bit from the last time I tried looking into it.  Now it needs my adjusted gross income, which I don't have, because I only have my w2 from last year, not my 1040.  So that's fun, too.  I type in all the info to get the check soonerish, but it doesn't accept what I type in.

Every progressive step is another dead end.

Hmmmm.  Well here in Texico we don't have state income taxes, only Federal.  So her refund comes directly from the Federal government, rather than state.  I wonder if that has something to do with it?

On surlybevo, there's a lengthy thread about the stimulus payments, and like you, some people are still having problems with it.  But from what I read, they're mostly the self-employed types that are paying in quarterly, rather than "standard" citizens that have corporate or government-paid "steady" jobs as you do.

Sorry to hear you're having troubles.  Whether you need it or not, the government has decided that money is yours, and who doesn't want some extra in troubled times? 

So, in California, the average Joe doesn't trust the government to do the right thing?
California voting patterns don't seem to reflect that skepticism.
Not trying to rebut you in any way, Bwarb.  You are absolutely a voice of reason on this subject as far as I'm concerned.
But I've got two stepsons living in California whom I love greatly but whose political views I struggle to understand.

Well, ya gotta remember it's a state of 40M people. All it takes is a couple hundred thousand selfish assholes and you'll fill up the major beaches. And we've got PLENTY of those--California has that reputation as much as being "progressive". Even probably many of them who vote progressive because it's fashionable and it's what all their friends do, but they're not going to pass up a day at the beach because they're young and invincible.

I'm a libertarian and have very little trust in the government, but I think California took this seriously very early and that's part of the reason we don't look like New York right now. Most here in California of my generation are trying to do our best to comply with all these changes in the hopes that doing our best right now will shorten it. And as a result, people like me are PISSED at the morons who decided to go to the beach and are going to ruin it for the rest of us.