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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3178 on: April 29, 2020, 05:59:06 PM »
I think GA responded because of hospital capacity, not Federal guidelines.  The fear that our capacities would be over whelmed didn't come to pass, fortunately.

The other reason is that the UE fund is going to run dry and fairly soon.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3179 on: April 29, 2020, 06:02:17 PM »
Yes, he is following the guidelines to a high degree.  He is actually being more strict on some things in phase 1, like gyms and bars. He is being less strict on elective surgeries, allowing more than just outpatient, because there is tremendous excess capacity.

What I like the most is he shared tons of data, as well data illustrating the huge gaps between what was projected for Florida versus what has actually happened. He also is treating the 3 counties ( Dave, Broward and Palm Beach) where the numbers are highest, in consultation with Government leaders there, much more strictly. 
Good for him. 

I'm not going to opine on what the media might say, but it certainly sounds like he's trying to do this the right way. 

Hopefully the residents of Florida don't go all "Florida Man" and F it up lol ;-)  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3180 on: April 29, 2020, 06:09:22 PM »
Can't wait to get down there. On the road... tomorrow morning!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3181 on: April 29, 2020, 06:10:24 PM »
Good for him.

I'm not going to opine on what the media might say, but it certainly sounds like he's trying to do this the right way.

Hopefully the residents of Florida don't go all "Florida Man" and F it up lol ;-) 
Me too LOL.  Where I am at, it has really improved.  When you go into a store, I would say 90% are wearing masks, and they are really keeping distance from each other.

for me, some restaurants will open but limited to either outdoor seating with distance between tables, or 25% capacity inside- but I will continue supporting local place via carry out or delivery, for a while yet. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3182 on: April 29, 2020, 06:10:29 PM »
This was being discussed on one of the Purdue blogs--in a discussion of whether opening football games to students only, since they're on campus, could make sense.

But the discussion turned to a vaccine and whether one had ever been created for coronavirus. Someone highlighted that there ARE successful vaccines for coronavirus strains in animals.

It reminded me of the fact that when we brought the puppy home at the end of January, Coronavirus was already starting to be talked about, so we asked our vet about it at his first well check appt. She said that they don't really vaccinate dogs for it as the strains they were vaccinating for really died down about a decade ago or so. But it's not like coronavirus vaccines CAN'T exist.


I know work for a SARS vaccine died out because the virus didn't easily transmit so the infections burned out quickly and then disappeared. I think there's been some research into a vaccine for MERS, but it likewise doesn't have NEARLY the worldwide attention or impact that this does. 

So... Maybe a vaccine is possible. With that monkey study, and with proven vaccines for coronavirus in dogs, it gives me a little more confidence that there's nothing inherent to a coronavirus that makes them fully resistant to vaccination.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3183 on: April 29, 2020, 06:11:17 PM »
I've been thinking about this whole cause of death thing.

It makes sense to report all of these as virus deaths, regardless of condition.

If gramma had COPD, was overweight, had diabetes and proceeded to get run over by a reindeer, then the cause of death would be that gramma got run over by a reindeer. Makes sense to me.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3184 on: April 29, 2020, 06:12:44 PM »
Me too LOL.  Where I am at, it has really improved.  When you go into a store, I would say 90% are wearing masks, and they are really keeping distance from each other.

for me, some restaurants will open but limited to either outdoor seating with distance between tables, or 25% capacity inside- but I will continue supporting local place via carry out or delivery, for a while yet.
This is how it is where I live in Palatine, and it's how I will live my life in Florida for the month of May. I'm not in a hurry to go into a place and eat.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3185 on: April 29, 2020, 06:19:09 PM »
Can't wait to get down there. On the road... tomorrow morning!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3186 on: April 29, 2020, 06:25:26 PM »
I've been thinking about this whole cause of death thing.

It makes sense to report all of these as virus deaths, regardless of condition.

If gramma had COPD, was overweight, had diabetes and proceeded to get run over by a reindeer, then the cause of death would be that gramma got run over by a reindeer. Makes sense to me.
If gramma got run over by a reindeer and died of internal trauma while it was determined she also had COVID-19, I say you don't put COVID-19 on the cause of death line. 

If gramma had COPD, was overweight, had diabetes, and was admitted to the hospital and died of pneumonia and tested positive for COVID-19, then COVID-19 should go onto the cause of death line. There's no reason to believe gramma would have gotten pneumonia TODAY without COVID-19.

Why is this hard to understand?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3187 on: April 29, 2020, 06:38:16 PM »
If gramma got run over by a reindeer and died of internal trauma while it was determined she also had COVID-19, I say you don't put COVID-19 on the cause of death line.

If gramma had COPD, was overweight, had diabetes, and was admitted to the hospital and died of pneumonia and tested positive for COVID-19, then COVID-19 should go onto the cause of death line. There's no reason to believe gramma would have gotten pneumonia TODAY without COVID-19.

Why is this hard to understand?
Agreed.  But if they never tested her for Covid, but she came from a home where there were other cases reported, and they put her on a ventilator to try to save her, cause of death is complications from pneumonia.   It is my understanding that there are many of these types of scenarios, particularly in NYC, that are categorized as Covid.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3188 on: April 29, 2020, 06:48:22 PM »
Agreed.  But if they never tested her for Covid, but she came from a home where there were other cases reported, and they put her on a ventilator to try to save her, cause of death is complications from pneumonia.  It is my understanding that there are many of these types of scenarios, particularly in NYC, that are categorized as Covid. 
Without a positive test, I would think that all you could do in this case (based on symptoms and community history) would be to write "probable COVID" on the COD. 

Although it's not often broken down for us laypeople, I would think that legitimate epidemiologists would want to know that COVID was suspected in the death while applying an appropriate "derating" factor to it because there was no positive test result. 

Assuming it's 100% COVID is wrong. Assuming it's 100% unrelated to COVID is wrong. Because a good portion of those type of cases are COVID even in the absence of a positive test.

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« Reply #3189 on: April 29, 2020, 07:29:07 PM »

But the discussion turned to a vaccine and whether one had ever been created for coronavirus. Someone highlighted that there ARE successful vaccines for coronavirus strains in animals.
What after all the banter they're saying there's successful vaccine's for animals when we're not even sure if there are accurate tests for Humans.Someone's getting pranked or our priorities are out of whack.Nope not buying that
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3190 on: April 29, 2020, 07:38:21 PM »
What after all the banter they're saying there's successful vaccine's for animals when we're not even sure if there are accurate tests for Humans.Someone's getting pranked or our priorities are out of whack.Nope not buying that
You're aware that there's not one "Coronavirus" out there, right? That a coronavirus is an entire class of virii that encompasses a whole bunch of different things.

COVID-19, also known as SARS-nCoV-19, is a specific new coronavirus that we've never seen before. MERS from a while back is a coronavirus. SARS from 2003 is a coronavirus. Several strains of the "common cold" are caused by types of coronavirus. And there are strains of coronavirus that infect dogs, at least one of which is vaccine-preventable. 

I hope that your response was intended to be sarcastic. If so, disregard my response as I couldn't tell if sarcastic. If not, please educate yourself on the subject.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #3191 on: April 29, 2020, 08:59:15 PM »
I didn't get any of that stimulus.
Yeah, I didn't get any of that gubment stimulus.
Me neither Utee. 

I would have done that differently, too.   


 

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