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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2744 on: April 24, 2020, 11:17:44 AM »
I hope you are right but if the economy isn't opened up soon a mad dash will morph into mayhem unprecedented.I'm starting to see cracks and they could be colossal.Rockwell's America could turn into Stephen King's right before our eyes.In stirring a course for a cure it could turn worse than the curse
People are going to venture out based on their own personal comfort with the risk levels.  Some will go out immediately.  Others will wait a couple of weeks.  Still others will wait a couple of months.

That's a good thing, as it will continue to slow the spread of the "Second Wave" or whatever you want to call it.  It will happen naturally without forced government-mandated closures.

Initially there won't be enough people out to sustain restaurants, bars, movie theaters, and other entertainment-oriented businesses.  So we'll continue to see a relatively high rate of failure amongst those businesses.  But if we don't start somewhere, we'll see even MORE failures.  

Obviously hotspots like NYC will remain shutdown far longer.  I feel for those folks.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2745 on: April 24, 2020, 11:21:01 AM »
Again, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose...

Let's say you have a known, documented case of the flu and you're in the peak of contagious period. Should you be "allowed" to ride a crowded subway? Maybe sit between a mother bringing her newborn home from the hospital and a wheezing 90-year-old? Are you not infringing on everyone else's right not to be infected by you and essentially swinging your fist right through their faces?

I realize that's extreme compared to the case of not having a known infection of Coronavirus. But in a global pandemic, is there no level to which it might be actually *necessary* to mandate precautions? 
there are many cases of physically impaired citizens having certain rights taken away

I cant drive without my glasses for example

this really isnt what the concern is
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2746 on: April 24, 2020, 11:27:08 AM »
Again, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose...

Let's say you have a known, documented case of the flu and you're in the peak of contagious period. Should you be "allowed" to ride a crowded subway? Maybe sit between a mother bringing her newborn home from the hospital and a wheezing 90-year-old? Are you not infringing on everyone else's right not to be infected by you and essentially swinging your fist right through their faces?

I realize that's extreme compared to the case of not having a known infection of Coronavirus. But in a global pandemic, is there no level to which it might be actually *necessary* to mandate precautions? 
again to take away personal rights ijust because you may be infected in my opinion is not constitutional
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2747 on: April 24, 2020, 11:28:26 AM »
Driving is not a right.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2748 on: April 24, 2020, 11:30:16 AM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2749 on: April 24, 2020, 11:32:09 AM »
if a state can suspend personal rights out of concern you may have the virus then a state can confiscate all guns out of concern you may be a serial killer
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2750 on: April 24, 2020, 11:32:52 AM »
That's a good thing, as it will continue to slow the spread of the "Second Wave" or whatever you want to call it.  It will happen naturally without forced government-mandated closures.
Fairly certain the charities are winding down on meat supply/procurement.Bills are coming due all over the place and many can no longer hear"hang on will get through this together" that's touching but not accurate.As you point out it will happen naturally, follow regulations and procedure but the economy has to get into gear
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2751 on: April 24, 2020, 11:35:56 AM »
Ya well just remember Ohio born Grant/Sherman/Custer/James A. Garfield and Presidents Rutherford B. Hayes and William McKinley both served in the 23rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry. to name a few
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2752 on: April 24, 2020, 11:38:02 AM »
questions Id like an answer to:

once you get the virus are you immune forever or for a shorter period of time

does everyone who gets the virus become immune

is it possible to get over the virus testing negative but still spread it

what is a true number of people with antibodies by state
1: Unknown. This is a key aspect of any potential vaccine. If exposure doesn't confer permanent immunity, I don't know if a vaccine would. 
2: Unknown. We don't have enough information to know who has gotten it nor the length of immunity.
3: Yes, that much we know. Because we think the test has as high as a 30% false negative rate, you may get the virus, get tested and show up negative (due to test problems), get over it, but obviously during the symptomatic time [and slightly before] you can spread it.
4: Unknown, but we all want to know this with higher confidence.

This is why people are wary about "let 'er rip" opening things up... And when people tell you Sweden is going to reach herd immunity, that assumes that exposure confers permanent immunity. If immunity is only temporary, Sweden might be just as susceptible to a 2nd-wave pandemic as the rest of us. 

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« Reply #2753 on: April 24, 2020, 11:45:34 AM »
Great Ohioans all, MrNubbz!
Depends on your definition of great I suppose but certainly effective in their pursuits.Custer while brave to a fault allowed that bravado to needlessly get good men killed.Which intensified conflict with the Northern Plains Souix,Cheyenne and Arapoho
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2754 on: April 24, 2020, 11:46:37 AM »

This is why people are wary about "let 'er rip" opening things up... And when people tell you Sweden is going to reach herd immunity, that assumes that exposure confers permanent immunity. If immunity is only temporary, Sweden might be just as susceptible to a 2nd-wave pandemic as the rest of us.
If immunity is only temporary we are in big trouble
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2755 on: April 24, 2020, 11:49:01 AM »
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
On 29 September 1918 USS Leviathan (formerly the largest-in-the-world German liner Vaterland) left New York for Brest.  She was one of the main carriers of troops to France, carrying 2,000 crew, and 9,000 troops. The voyage would prove to have the worst in-transit casualties of the deadly second wave of the Spanish flu. By the time she arrived at Brest on 8 October, 2,000 were sick, and 80 had died.

According to the account of Capt. Ernest W. Gibson of the 57th Pioneer Infantry, who was aboard Leviathan on that trip:

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Official records show that within a few days after landing 123 of the men died at Kehruon Hospital, about forty at Base Hospital Number 33, several at Naval Base Hospital Number 5 and at the hospital at Landernau.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2756 on: April 24, 2020, 11:54:16 AM »
again to take away personal rights ijust because you may be infected in my opinion is not constitutional
if a state can suspend personal rights out of concern you may have the virus then a state can confiscate all guns out of concern you may be a serial killer
As with a lot of things, there's a balance. 

If the gov't said everyone was mandated to wear masks now and forever, that's one thing. If there's a global pandemic and they say "wear a mask until this passes" it's another...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2757 on: April 24, 2020, 12:10:03 PM »
A vaccine can still be of value IFF we are able to track how the virus mutates each year.  This is what the CDC attempts to do with influenza vaccine, they track what is happening in China and "predict" which strains will be most prevalent in October.  The flu vaccines of course are not 100% effective, but they are useful enough in generating herd immunity to keep the virus from spreading widely.


 

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