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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2730 on: April 24, 2020, 10:24:07 AM »
Ahh, the world we live in...


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On Friday, the maker of Lysol said that due to “recent speculation,” it wanted to urge people not to ingest their disinfectants. “We must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route,)” the Reckitt Benckiser Group said in a statement early Friday, adding: “Please read the label and safety information.”

Later on Friday, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency also cautioned against following the president’s suggestion, saying in a statement reported by the Associated Press: “Never apply the product to yourself or others. Do not ingest disinfectant products.”


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2731 on: April 24, 2020, 10:25:22 AM »
Im convinced that the only way to beat this thing is through herd immunity without a vaccine

we need to reopen as much as possible while at the same time protecting certain high risk groups

it wont be easy but hay life is a bitch anyway so we might as well get on with it

So am I and if we had followed this from the beginning the damage that has been done to so many people wouldn't have happened. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2732 on: April 24, 2020, 10:26:51 AM »
One of the premises of the founding of this country is that our rights are not given by the government, they are natural or God-given depending on your view. And because of this the government cannot take them away, except when I do something that causes me to give up those rights. 
Interesting to think about this. There are people who are jailed - essentially giving up rights. They caused it. Many are now being released from jail, getting rights back, while others who abide the law are "losing" rights. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2733 on: April 24, 2020, 10:32:32 AM »
I feel that way cause Texas has 4000 deaths each year from the flu and this virus has accounted for 550 combine that with the fact that this virus is way more easier to catch then the flu tells me it has a lower death rate
That kind of makes sense but we have to factor in the precautions like never before also.So where does that number really fall?I don't know
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2734 on: April 24, 2020, 10:32:57 AM »
One of my professors from the Department of Civil Engineering just got funding for studying the transmission of COVID-19 through septic tanks, wells that don't treat with chlorine, and wastewater treatment systems. 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/23/u-of-m-researchers-to-study-whether-coronavirus-could-get-into-drinking-water

Interesting stuff. I recall some discussion early on about fecal transmission, but it being largely written off due to the DIY nature of Chinese high rise plumbing. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2735 on: April 24, 2020, 10:36:33 AM »
One can imagine the outcry had we not shut down the country.  This obviously gets politicized along with anything else that makes the news.

The outcry locally is pretty severe obviously.  I don't quite understand it personally.  As adults, we should be allowed to make decisions if we feel a tattoo parlor is not safe, don't go.  And yes, I understand that someone who does go may contract the disease and spread it.  But the social distancing concept appears to be limiting R naught significantly from what I can discern.  

Some higher end restaurants are going to open up on Monday with precautions.  I think many folks will stay in obviously an "see what happens".  The lag time on reading what happens is going to be a problem.

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« Reply #2736 on: April 24, 2020, 10:41:35 AM »
One can imagine the outcry had we not shut down the country.  This obviously gets politicized along with anything else that makes the news.

The outcry locally is pretty severe obviously.  I don't quite understand it personally.  As adults, we should be allowed to make decisions if we feel a tattoo parlor is not safe, don't go.  And yes, I understand that someone who does go may contract the disease and spread it.  But the social distancing concept appears to be limiting R naught significantly from what I can discern. 

Some higher end restaurants are going to open up on Monday with precautions.  I think many folks will stay in obviously an "see what happens".  The lag time on reading what happens is going to be a problem.

Hey CD, any idea what the hospitals look like in Atlanta, and around the rest of the state?  Are they overrun?  Keeping up?  Or has the wave crested and they're not that busy anymore? Were they EVER busy?  After all, the purpose of lockdowns/social distancing, was to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from being overrun.  Did that work out in Georgia, to the point where the government believes it's okay to loosen the restrictions?

For obvious reasons, the rest of the country will be watching with 'bated breath.  

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« Reply #2737 on: April 24, 2020, 10:46:25 AM »
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-coronavirus-pelosi-protests-kass-20200423-myi3o2gms5ghjbaxo23h6262xm-story.html
That was a great article,thanx


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2738 on: April 24, 2020, 10:49:47 AM »
Interesting stuff. I recall some discussion early on about fecal transmission, but it being largely written off due to the DIY nature of Chinese high rise plumbing.
I think one of the reasons that the first SARS in 2003 flamed out so quickly was that it wasn't airborne; it was spread through mucus or fecal transmission.

So once places that had outbreaks were quite literally "cleaned up", it no longer transmitted. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2739 on: April 24, 2020, 10:56:48 AM »
Hey CD, any idea what the hospitals look like in Atlanta, and around the rest of the state?  Are they overrun?  Keeping up?  Or has the wave crested and they're not that busy anymore? Were they EVER busy?  After all, the purpose of lockdowns/social distancing, was to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from being overrun.  Did that work out in Georgia, to the point where the government believes it's okay to loosen the restrictions?

For obvious reasons, the rest of the country will be watching with 'bated breath. 

Hospital utilization is well under any projection.  They added 200 more beds in the convention center recently.  It's not being used.  There was an early report that the hospitals were at ICU max, but that was due to a major water leak at the largest hospital in the area that wiped out three floors of ICUs.  That has been remedied, and a brand new hospital opened two floors early for COVID patients, also not being used.

I think this is a key part of Kemp's calculus.  The state, at least outside Albany, has plenty of capacity.  And people are not idiots in general, this isn't going to change behaviors overnight.  I would have kept gyms and tattoo parlors closed myself and just allowed outdoor dining.

One local gym we pass on our walks has ten or so folks working out in the parking lot.

Our small gym in the building is closed, I quit going before they closed it.  We don't have any known infections in the building.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2740 on: April 24, 2020, 10:59:49 AM »
Hospital utilization is well under any projection.  They added 200 more beds in the convention center recently.  It's not being used.  There was an early report that the hospitals were at ICU max, but that was due to a major water leak at the largest hospital in the area that wiped out three floors of ICUs.  That has been remedied, and a brand new hospital opened two floors early for COVID patients, also not being used.

I think this is a key part of Kemp's calculus.  The state, at least outside Albany, has plenty of capacity.  And people are not idiots in general, this isn't going to change behaviors overnight.  I would have kept gyms and tattoo parlors closed myself and just allowed outdoor dining.

One local gym we pass on our walks has ten or so folks working out in the parking lot.

Our small gym in the building is closed, I quit going before they closed it.  We don't have any known infections in the building.



Thanks.  I'd heard that ICU utilization was low in Atlanta, but also heard that initial report about being at ICU max, and had no idea it was unrelated.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2741 on: April 24, 2020, 11:05:09 AM »

I don't foresee a mad dash to get in the vicinity of others,


I hope you are right but if the economy isn't opened up soon a mad dash will morph into mayhem unprecedented.I'm starting to see cracks and they could be colossal.Rockwell's America could turn into Stephen King's right before our eyes.In stirring a course for a cure it could turn worse than the curse
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2742 on: April 24, 2020, 11:15:36 AM »
There are many times, I will "voluntarily" give up my rights, but I will not ascend to any government and/or other authority taking away my rights "for the greater good." I will fight it either actively or passively, but I will fight it.

One of the premises of the founding of this country is that our rights are not given by the government, they are natural or God-given depending on your view. And because of this the government cannot take them away, except when I do something that causes me to give up those rights. 
Again, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose...

Let's say you have a known, documented case of the flu and you're in the peak of contagious period. Should you be "allowed" to ride a crowded subway? Maybe sit between a mother bringing her newborn home from the hospital and a wheezing 90-year-old? Are you not infringing on everyone else's right not to be infected by you and essentially swinging your fist right through their faces? 

I realize that's extreme compared to the case of not having a known infection of Coronavirus. But in a global pandemic, is there no level to which it might be actually *necessary* to mandate precautions?  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2743 on: April 24, 2020, 11:17:06 AM »
questions Id like an answer to:

once you get the virus are you immune forever or for a shorter period of time

does everyone who gets the virus become immune 

is it possible to get over the virus testing negative but still spread it

what is a true number of people with antibodies by state
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