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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #2702 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:55:17 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on April 23, 2020, 05:45:34 PM

I feel that way cause Texas has 4000 deaths each year from the flu and this virus has accounted for 550 combine that with the fact that this virus is way more easier to catch then the flu tells me it has a lower death rate

Again, do you think that the total number of Texans who normally would have caught the flu have caught COVID-19, in an environment where we've all started social distancing?

We don't really do anything to avoid the flu, other than telling people who have it to stay the F home. We did something really aggressive for this.

In fact, some people claim that the fact that flu deaths are down is evidence that what would normally be called a flu death is being attributed to COVID-19. Isn't another possibility that because of all this social distancing, FAR fewer people are getting the flu this year?

longhorn320 · « **Reply #2703 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:02:38 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on April 23, 2020, 05:55:17 PM

Again, do you think that the total number of Texans who normally would have caught the flu have caught COVID-19, in an environment where we've all started social distancing?

We don't really do anything to avoid the flu, other than telling people who have it to stay the F home. We did something really aggressive for this.

In fact, some people claim that the fact that flu deaths are down is evidence that what would normally be called a flu death is being attributed to COVID-19. Isn't another possibility that because of all this social distancing, FAR fewer people are getting the flu this year?

There is evidence the coronavirus has been around since Oct 2019 so yes I feel there is a huge number of people who have had this virus and has not been recognized

This is just my hunch I really dont feel like I need to heavily defend it

if Im wrong then so be it

but I think as more testing for antibodies occurs my view will be born out

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #2704 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:07:36 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on April 23, 2020, 06:02:38 PM

There is evidence the coronavirus has been around since Oct 2019 so yes I feel there is a huge number of people who have had this virus and has not been recognized

This is just my hunch I really dont feel like I need to heavily defend it

if Im wrong then so be it

but I think as more testing for antibodies occurs my view will be born out

Again, see my previous post responding to @Mdot21 ...

For the Los Angeles and Santa Clara studies on antibody testing, even if you used the HIGHEST multiplier for confirmed to undocumented cases, at BEST it gets you into the same range as the flu, not lower than the flu.

If you look at the New York data, it suggests somewhere in the 5-8x range of mortality relative to flu.

The actual mortality rates is WELL below the current 5.66% rate of deaths to confirmed cases, everyone agrees. What it actually is, is unknown. But less fatal than the flu is highly unlikely.

Edit: FYI you say you don't need to heavily defend it. But you're aggressively arguing for opening up the economy, which would be completely justified if this was less fatal than the flu, but probably not justified if this was in the 0.5-0.78% mortality range. So if you're going to argue policy, and if those arguments rest on your hunches about mortality rates, I think you should be prepared to defend your hunches.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2705 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:08:55 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2020, 05:53:07 PM

Well, I still like John Kass. He goes after everyone from time to time, and always defends "the little guy".

Take the word "elite"--and the responses it gets--out of that column and he wrote a pretty solid piece. It's easy for people whose income does not depend on going into work each day to undervalue the damage that shutting down is doing to many millions of their fellow citizens whose jobs do depend on working at workplaces.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #2706 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:10:08 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on April 23, 2020, 06:07:36 PM

Again, see my previous post responding to @Mdot21 ...

For the Los Angeles and Santa Clara studies on antibody testing, even if you used the HIGHEST multiplier for confirmed to undocumented cases, at BEST it gets you into the same range as the flu, not lower than the flu.

If you look at the New York data, it suggests somewhere in the 5-8x range of mortality relative to flu.

The actual mortality rates is WELL below the current 5.66% rate of deaths to confirmed cases, everyone agrees. What it actually is, is unknown. But less fatal than the flu is highly unlikely.

OK then the coronavirus and the flu are the same as far as death rates are concerned you win

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2707 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:19:17 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on April 23, 2020, 06:08:55 PM

Take the word "elite"--and the responses it gets--out of that column and he wrote a pretty solid piece. It's easy for people whose income does not depend on going into work each day to undervalue the damage that shutting down is doing to many millions of their fellow citizens whose jobs do depend on working at workplaces.

That's why I posted it. I didn't expect the word to trigger the response that it got, so my bad there??

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2708 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:22:18 PM »

Illinois extended the shutdown through May 30 today. Some businesses will be allowed to open, like garden centers and greenhouses. Some retail can open, with curbside pickup or delivery only. Some state parks will start to open. So, some progress toward normal, whatever that is now.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #2709 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:38:17 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2020, 06:22:18 PM

Illinois extended the shutdown through May 30 today. Some businesses will be allowed to open, like garden centers and greenhouses. Some retail can open, with curbside pickup or delivery only. Some state parks will start to open. So, some progress toward normal, whatever that is now.

not enough but more then what some other states are doing

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2710 on:** April 23, 2020, 06:39:54 PM »

So, this was primarily to "flatten the curve". To the extent that is correct, it was not to reduce the area under the curve, but to flatten it out so hospitals would not be overwhelmed. Georgia is projected to have ample hospital capacity under the new guidelines, so the curve was flattened and we should be OK.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2711 on:** April 23, 2020, 07:31:04 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 06:39:54 PM

So, this was primarily to "flatten the curve". To the extent that is correct, it was not to reduce the area under the curve, but to flatten it out so hospitals would not be overwhelmed. Georgia is projected to have ample hospital capacity under the new guidelines, so the curve was flattened and we should be OK.

Correct. If you integrate the... never mind.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #2712 on:** April 23, 2020, 08:47:17 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on April 23, 2020, 06:02:38 PM

This is just my hunch

if Im wrong then so be it

One side of the argument is like this.^^^

The other side of the argument is right.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2713 on:** April 23, 2020, 10:42:34 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2020, 06:19:17 PM

That's why I posted it. I didn't expect the word to trigger the response that it got, so my bad there??

It didn't bother me, but I see bayarea's point.

"Elites" has been used so often it has become like "fascists." It just means "people I don't like."

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2714 on:** April 24, 2020, 06:47:40 AM »

I see this "myth" that Kemp is reopening Georgia, which of course is not the case. He is allowing some businesses to reopen, for better or worse. A lot of things stay closed and those that reopen have additional guidelines. Previously, I could not order takeout and sit at the restaurant and eat outside on one of their tables. (We did anyway, some places had their tables roped off so we didn't there.) Now, we can. If I'm siting down at their table outside it's no different than taking the food to the park and eating.

Dining indoors at night will be different, you have exposure to a server and vice versa. I also think some laid off workers are enjoying the extra pay of UE and won't come back, but servers are getting hammered because they lose tips.

I would have not reopened gyms and tattoo parlors at this point, but whatever. Home Depot et al. was quite busy, we went yesterday for some hummingbird liquid. Grocery stores and Walmart will continue as before.

I honestly do not think this is going to cause an explosion of cases, and the hospital capacity is projected to be fine anyway.

FearlessF · « **Reply #2715 on:** April 24, 2020, 08:38:08 AM »

the Home Depot, Lowe's, and Menards here have been busier than usual. And they are always busiest in the spring

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