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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1933 on: April 15, 2020, 05:06:03 PM »
CNN with the sensationalism. Reporting that we may have to shelter in place and close schools til 2022!

I can see why Chris Cuomo trashed his employer and job on a radio interview.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html

They are reporting what some scientists are saying, right?  

That is, unless a vaccine or better therapeutics becomes available, or we increase our critical care capacity. In other words, 2022 is one scenario of many.

That's according to researchers from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, who published their findings in the journal Science on Tuesday. Those findings directly contradict research being touted by the White House that suggests the pandemic may stop this summer.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1934 on: April 15, 2020, 05:06:41 PM »
Sweden is largely a free market economy with a generous social safety net and very high taxes.  They also have more billionaires per capita than the US.

And when I say high taxes, I mean on the middle class, including a VAT.  You hit the top marginal tax rate in Sweden quite quickly.
To bring it back to Coronavirus, Sweden is proving to be an interesting case.

They haven't closed schools. They haven't closed businesses. They're "encouraging" social distancing and banning gatherings of >50 people, but otherwise trying to rely on individual prudence rather than government mandates.

They've now reached #11 on the number of deaths per million population, but if you exclude San Marino, Andorra, and Sint Maarten to focus only on larger countries, they'd be #8 on the list.

It's hard to compare them to everyone, but they're now at 112 deaths/million. Norway is at 28, and Finland is at 13. Those are their closest "peers". For comparison, the US is at 86 per million.

If at some point we want to compare response by country, Sweden will give us an interesting data point.

(I think I mentioned this a few days ago or last week as well... But it's an interesting one.)


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1935 on: April 15, 2020, 05:07:46 PM »
Humanity won't accept closure until 2022, no matter the body count. 

So that's a non-starter.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1936 on: April 15, 2020, 05:10:05 PM »
Sorry CD the WHO never kicked into high gear.China/Russia/Iran are feeding a bunch of false info into our social media and China/Who are bed fellows.Jan 20 they kicked into high gear? - said no one ever
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1937 on: April 15, 2020, 05:15:21 PM »
Humanity won't accept closure until 2022, no matter the body count.

So that's a non-starter.
Yeah. It’s just CNN running stupid ass headlines online on their front page and in article headlines.

Sensationalism sells. These motherf’rs will do anything to make a buck. I really wish that news media was broken up from these giant multi-national telecommunication/entertainment conglomerates. 

CNN - bitch boy of ATT
MSNBC - bitch boy of Comcast 
Fox - bitch boy of Rupert Murdoch

If anyone thinks these are legitimate news outlets- then I’ve got lots of ocean front property in Nevada that I’d love to sell you.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1938 on: April 15, 2020, 05:21:35 PM »
I never found the WHO credible after Keith Moon died.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1939 on: April 15, 2020, 05:22:03 PM »
CNN - bitch boy of ATT
MSNBC - bitch boy of Comcast
Fox - bitch boy of Rupert Murdoch

If anyone thinks these are legitimate news outlets- then I’ve got lots of ocean front property in Nevada that I’d love to sell you.
:043: Is PBS a Bitch Boy of the BBC?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1940 on: April 15, 2020, 05:24:13 PM »
I never found the WHO credible after Keith Moon died.
Kenny jones was decent,Zack Starkey - Ringo's kid filled in for a while too
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1941 on: April 15, 2020, 05:25:40 PM »
Sorry CD the WHO never kicked into high gear.China/Russia/Iran are feeding a bunch of false info into our social media and China/Who are bed fellows.Jan 20 they kicked into high gear? - said no one ever
Is that what they said? That’s hysterical. 

China tried to cover this thing up for almost a month before they did anything real about it. Had China taken action just 3 weeks earlier, this thing would’ve never left China. The spread would’ve been 95% contained.

WHO completely ignored warnings from Taiwan that this thing transmits human to human, and the WHO held China’s bath water and were telling the world this thing doesn’t transmit human to human- please don’t shut down trade and travel with China. 

The evidence is all there. China and China alone- with a little bit of help from the WHO - caused this thing to snowball to the point where it was able to spread like wildfire. And once it spread- game over. No stopping it. 

Makes one wonder if China didn’t want this thing to spread on purpose. The world- especially the US- is HEAVILY dependent on China for manufacturing just about every f***kng thing we use from phones, to tools, to flashlights, to medicines, to chemicals, to gloves, to ventilators, to masks, to medical TESTING. You know just about all the stuff we need to live and to survive in a pandemic. 

China needs to be dealt with swiftly and harshly, and the WHO shouldn’t get a single dollar from the US until it’s entire leadership is gutted and replaced with qualified Americans.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1942 on: April 15, 2020, 05:26:04 PM »
Yeah. It’s just CNN running stupid ass headlines online on their front page and in article headlines.

Sensationalism sells. These motherf’rs will do anything to make a buck. I really wish that news media was broken up from these giant multi-national telecommunication/entertainment conglomerates.

CNN - bitch boy of ATT
MSNBC - bitch boy of Comcast
Fox - bitch boy of Rupert Murdoch

If anyone thinks these are legitimate news outlets- then I’ve got lots of ocean front property in Nevada that I’d love to sell you.
so what is a legitimate news outlet in your opinion
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1943 on: April 15, 2020, 05:40:19 PM »
so what is a legitimate news outlet in your opinion
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1944 on: April 15, 2020, 05:41:29 PM »

Sensationalism sells. 
I think you're ignoring the real problem.
There are steps we could take to make this statement less true or eventually, untrue.  It doesn't have to be a given.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1945 on: April 15, 2020, 05:57:30 PM »
so what is a legitimate news outlet in your opinion
None. As I said in a different debate recently... Whenever possible, try to go beyond the headline, beyond the article, and to get as close to the original source as possible. 

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How many journalists who are trying to rush a story to print have time to read a 40-page legal opinion, truly digest and understand the nuance, and accurately get that to print, not just a 400 word outrage piece about how the decision is going to destroy America? Even more important, how many of their readers actually want nuance and accuracy over sensationalism?

They're playing to their audience. The American People. Who are an easily-led, barely-thinking mob that don't have time for nuance or accuracy, and just want to receive enough information to make themselves believe that they're informed. And usually do so only in the most confirmation-bias enhancing way, only taking information from the sources they already agree with completely uncritically and dismissing any opposing source as flawed.

So what does the MSM do? They craft "a tale told by an idiot [reporter], full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing."


In short, my ire for the entire profession of journalism is to find a journalist who has deep expertise in what they're writing about is usually impossible. Technology writers rarely come from an engineering or even a technical marketing background where they had to work in their subject matter every day. Legal journalists rarely have law degrees; if they did they'd make more money practicing law. Medical journalists rarely have medical degrees; if they did they'd make more money practicing medicine.

Often they're non-experts trying to cover a subject with incredible depth and nuance and get it across to a reader [also a non-expert] in a very limited format, and their paycheck isn't driven by accuracy; it's driven by circulation [or in the modern world, advertising/clicks]. And who's going to make sure they're accurate? Their editor? Not at all--he's just as much a non-expert as everyone else in the chain.

So there's no real inherent check and balance to ensure accuracy. So there's no real reason to believe that the accuracy is very good; hence going to original sources whenever possible.

I've brought up this quote by Michael Crichton regarding he and physicist Murray Gell-Mann before, summarizing what he calls the "Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect":

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“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
― Michael Crichton
I've seen this over and over in my own industry, data storage. I see people who earn their living writing ONLY about data storage making completely wrong arguments, completely misinterpreting data, and drawing completely wrong conclusions thereby.

Not all of them. There are good ones and bad ones, and anyone IN the industry can tell the difference. For the lay people outside our industry? They don't know which ones are talking sense and which ones are full of it.

So when I read a subject in which I have no inherent expertise, how can I tell which journalists are accurate and which ones are full of it? Only by going to original sources and trying to determine if the journalist is accurately relaying what was in the original source. MANY, MANY, MANY times I find that they've completely missed the point and relayed it badly--if they ever read it at all.

 

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