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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1456 on: April 07, 2020, 06:26:22 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 07, 2020, 06:13:28 PM
Vaccines work "OK" on influenza.  And I think we can uncork this while still protecting those who are extremely vulnerable.

I "think" R naught for this is less than had been predicted/expected/forecast.

They're going to have to be WILLING to be protected.  My parents are doing better about not going out, but they're still asking for visits from the grandkids, and still asking what our plans for Easter Sunday are-- they thought we could somehow get our extended family together (16 of us including their great grandkids), people ages 2yo up to 80yo.

I talk to them every day and remind them not to do stupid shit.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1457 on: April 07, 2020, 06:33:15 PM »
They may be exposing themselves to misinformation.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1458 on: April 07, 2020, 06:34:47 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
I talk to them every day and remind them not to do stupid shit.
We all seemingly have to hammer this home - good on you
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1459 on: April 07, 2020, 06:35:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Yeah I've been watching the various approaches, with interest.  Definitely hopeful they'll come up with something effective, and much much sooner.
There's already a safeguard to the virus...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jiWl0XRYbY
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1460 on: April 07, 2020, 06:38:01 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 05:44:45 PM
Don't think she'll be called back, her clinic is a private, local firm and most likely isn't going to make it.

There will be other PT jobs, once it's all over.  But she won't be able to work until the patients are willing to come back.

This would be a great time for her to plan her own business. Start it with current patients, on line, maybe?? Some are capable, minus the actual manual manipulation part of the job. I know an OT who is doing this very thing, to the best of her ability.

Don't get me wrong. I feel for you and for her, and for your family.

Times like these are very stressful, but times like these also present opportunity. Hopefully she lands on her fee, no matter what.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1461 on: April 07, 2020, 06:51:30 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 07, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
This would be a great time for her to plan her own business. Start it with current patients, on line, maybe?? Some are capable, minus the actual manual manipulation part of the job. I know an OT who is doing this very thing, to the best of her ability.

Don't get me wrong. I feel for you and for her, and for your family.

Times like these are very stressful, but times like these also present opportunity. Hopefully she lands on her fee, no matter what.
Thanks bud, we'll manage.  She's a manual physical therapist, her practice relies on manual therapy techniques so there's not much she can do right now.  She's done a few telehealth visits, she wasn't at all satisfied with them but her patients seemed to think it was better than nothing.

We've definitely been planning a more entrepreneurial venture for her, so this could be a catalyst.  Still can't do anything other than lay the groundwork though, until the patients decide they feel safe enough to come back.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1462 on: April 07, 2020, 07:04:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 07, 2020, 06:35:12 PM
There's already a safeguard to the virus...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jiWl0XRYbY
Deliberately putting God to the test is a heresy.
I've got pretty substantial backing for that opinion.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1463 on: April 07, 2020, 07:06:21 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 07, 2020, 06:13:28 PM
Vaccines work "OK" on influenza.  And I think we can uncork this while still protecting those who are extremely vulnerable.

I "think" R naught for this is less than had been predicted/expected/forecast.
Influenza and coronavirii are completely differently family of virii.

We don't at this point even know whether infection/survival of COVID-19 confers long-term future immunity to COVID-19... The common cold is caused by a family of coronavirii, and we don't develop long-term immunity. If we can't vaccinate against the common cold, it's unclear whether we can vaccinate against COVID-19.

I'm seeing R-naught numbers in the 1.5 range recently. Which is lower than previously thought (2.0 or higher), but still not great. And R-naught will be lower when the world focuses on social distancing, so in the absence of those policies it might be much higher.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1464 on: April 07, 2020, 07:22:30 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 07, 2020, 07:06:21 PM
Influenza and coronavirii are completely differently family of virii.

We don't at this point even know whether infection/survival of COVID-19 confers long-term future immunity to COVID-19... The common cold is caused by a family of coronavirii, and we don't develop long-term immunity. If we can't vaccinate against the common cold, it's unclear whether we can vaccinate against COVID-19.

I'm seeing R-naught numbers in the 1.5 range recently. Which is lower than previously thought (2.0 or higher), but still not great. And R-naught will be lower when the world focuses on social distancing, so in the absence of those policies it might be much higher.
The reason we can't vaccinate against the common cold is because it mutates so quickly, is it not?
Have we determined how quickly the present coronavirus mutates?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1465 on: April 07, 2020, 07:29:13 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 07, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
The reason we can't vaccinate against the common cold is because it mutates so quickly, is it not?
Have we determined how quickly the present coronavirus mutates?
That's the issue with influenza. It mutates quickly so we're always fighting a crapshoot whether the yearly vaccines are the right ones for the actual flu we'll see.

My understanding is that the common cold is mild enough that somehow our bodies build up short-term, not long-term, immunity. So after you get the common cold, you're not going to get it again for a few weeks or months. But a year down the road, you might get the exact same cold you got a year prior. It's not so much about mutation as that somehow our bodies "forget" the immunity. 

We don't know whether more severe coronavirii will confer long-lasting immunity or not.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1466 on: April 07, 2020, 07:45:45 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 07, 2020, 07:06:21 PM
Influenza and coronavirii are completely differently family of virii.

We don't at this point even know whether infection/survival of COVID-19 confers long-term future immunity to COVID-19... The common cold is caused by a family of coronavirii, and we don't develop long-term immunity. If we can't vaccinate against the common cold, it's unclear whether we can vaccinate against COVID-19.

I'm seeing R-naught numbers in the 1.5 range recently. Which is lower than previously thought (2.0 or higher), but still not great. And R-naught will be lower when the world focuses on social distancing, so in the absence of those policies it might be much higher.
Yup. 

Anti-viral drugs are the answer. 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/13/the-quest-for-a-pandemic-pill/amp
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1467 on: April 07, 2020, 07:46:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 07, 2020, 06:33:15 PM
They may be exposing themselves to misinformation.
You mean exposing themselves to misinformation from the WHO? “Virus isn’t transmissible human to human.” Bastards.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1468 on: April 07, 2020, 07:48:01 PM »
Trump suspends funding to the WHO. This guy is not F’ing around. I LOVE IT.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1469 on: April 07, 2020, 09:49:01 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 07, 2020, 07:04:11 PM
Deliberately putting God to the test is a heresy.
I've got pretty substantial backing for that opinion.
Is this a serious statement?
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