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847badgerfan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1204 on: April 04, 2020, 05:55:52 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:51:28 PM
OK, then.  I'm am strongly against any military action against China, FWIW.


I think we have to continue the economic warfare that the president was waging, and winning. This virus is the retaliation, I believe, for that economic warfare.

China was at its knees, backed into a corner. Now they have narrowed the economic gap, temporarily I believe, by bringing ours down.

Now, the China Sea. Lots of countries around there would like to see China stopped. I'd like to see the US and its Allies help make that happen.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1205 on: April 04, 2020, 05:58:18 PM »
FWIW, the scientific analysis I've seen on COVID shows it to be naturally occurring.  I probably lean to believing science perhaps more than many.  Bioengineering leaves signs that are hard to miss, as I understand it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1206 on: April 04, 2020, 05:59:44 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 04, 2020, 05:39:43 PM
LMAO.  So rich coming from you, the absolute king of making snide comments and then hiding behind your keyboard.

And I don't even know what your stance is, aside from being generally bigoted toward people that you feel are beneath you.

So you tell me what your position is, because I don't really know.  And if you make a really smart point, I might actually agree with you.
Okay, so step by step...
1 - the map was mostly red in the south
2 - the south is mostly conservatives
3 - the vast majority of those saying Covid-19 was a hoax were conservatives
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Thus, my comment.  
So my further conjecture would be that thinking it was a hoax would delay preventative measures and delaying preventative measures yields more deaths.
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But 1,2, and 3 above are factual.  Notice the word "mostly" being used.  What's wrong with any of it?  Why does any of this cause you to get smarmy and butthurt?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1207 on: April 04, 2020, 06:03:25 PM »
The southern states thus far are doing pretty well except for LA, as I noted.

Some of this is because of fewer dense urban centers of course.

Some of this is probably because it got here later.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1208 on: April 04, 2020, 06:04:28 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
[img width=495.98 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/3LTqqeA.png[/img]
Mike Leach passed this along on Twitter and got roasted.  The noose makes it racist.  ~???
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1209 on: April 04, 2020, 06:06:16 PM »
If you really wanted to start a war in China, the U.S. could make Taiwan into another South Korea.  That would neceessitate a major retaliation from them.  It'd be like their Cuban missile crisis. 
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Now, set aside how war is bad and all the deaths would be terrible, but aren't you interested in seeing the U.S. in a war with an established country to see just how far ahead of everyone we are?  Part of our bloated defense budget makes it so we're so far ahead of everyone else, we're like Superman in a china shop (no pun intended).  The first Gulf War was easily won with kid gloves.  Battling Al Queda and ISIS has been like going through a kid's hair with a lice comb.
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Who would step up to the plate and declare war on us, country vs country?  China is too smart to do that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1210 on: April 04, 2020, 06:07:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:59:44 PM
Okay, so step by step...
1 - the map was mostly red in the south
2 - the south is mostly conservatives
3 - the vast majority of those saying Covid-19 was a hoax were conservatives
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Thus, my comment. 
So my further conjecture would be that thinking it was a hoax would delay preventative measures and delaying preventative measures yields more deaths.
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But 1,2, and 3 above are factual.  Notice the word "mostly" being used.  What's wrong with any of it?  Why does any of this cause you to get smarmy and butthurt? 


Do you not see ANY other reason why people in those regions would need to continue traveling?  I'm looking for factual stuff, not your supposition of whether or not they are conservative, whether or not they're taking this seriously.  Can you think of ANY other reasons? 

I'll give you a hint, I already posted a map with another logical, potential explanation for it.

So you have yet to make a SMART point, just your typical bigotry.  You failed, again.  Im not smarmy, I'm not butthurt, I'm asking for logic and reason.  You've failed to use that and provided only conjecture.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1211 on: April 04, 2020, 06:09:03 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 06:03:25 PM
The southern states thus far are doing pretty well except for LA, as I noted.

Some of this is because of fewer dense urban centers of course.

Some of this is probably because it got here later.

Shhhhh, don't tell bigots this news.  It doesn't correspond to their carefully curated world views!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1212 on: April 04, 2020, 06:09:39 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 04, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Mike Leach passed this along on Twitter and got roasted.  The noose makes it racist.  ~???
Ugh.  
It's a marriage joke, not a lynching joke.  FFS  
Yes, the far left is as bad as the far right, all extremes are bad.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1213 on: April 04, 2020, 06:10:34 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 04, 2020, 06:07:34 PM

So you have yet to make a SMART point, just your typical bigotry.  You failed, again.  Im not smarmy, I'm not butthurt, I'm asking for logic and reason.  You've failed to use that and provided only conjecture.
So which is untrue?  1, 2, or 3?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1214 on: April 04, 2020, 06:12:38 PM »
The core reason we spend so much on "defense" is the ability to project power.  Look at how many fleet aircraft carriers the rest of the world has.  Zero.

We have ten.  Those are meant to protect sea lanes so we can "safely" ship men and supplies across oceans.  No other country can do that.  It's very expensive to retain that capability.  If we had fewer defense agreements, we would be able to make do with a lot less protecting ONLY US direct interests.

But, the best war is one avoided.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1215 on: April 04, 2020, 06:12:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:58:18 PM
FWIW, the scientific analysis I've seen on COVID shows it to be naturally occurring.  I probably lean to believing science perhaps more than many.  Bioengineering leaves signs that are hard to miss, as I understand it.
They are using powers of deduction and making highly educated assumptions that it wasn’t bio-engineered. And I agree with those assumptions. 

This more than likely was an accidental contamination in an infectious disease lab that studies diseases and how to fight them, and then from there it spread like wildfire. And instead of trying to take responsibility and try to prevent it from spreading, the CCP tried lying and intimidating whistleblowers or flat out making whistleblowers just disappear in order to cover it up. 

Many studies were done showing that the CCP could’ve nipped this thing in the butt and could’ve halted the spread by 95% if they had acted immediately instead of tried covering it up for weeks and weeks before they acknowledged it and tried to do something about it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1216 on: April 04, 2020, 06:13:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Yes, the far left is as bad as the far right, all extremes are bad.
That's kind of an extreme point of view, no?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #1217 on: April 04, 2020, 06:15:26 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 06:03:25 PM
The southern states thus far are doing pretty well except for LA, as I noted.

Some of this is because of fewer dense urban centers of course.

Some of this is probably because it got here later.
Alabama is in for a world of hurt.


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