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bayareabadger

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #938 on: April 01, 2020, 07:06:00 PM »
Damn Harbaugh has to get brought up in this?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #939 on: April 01, 2020, 07:07:47 PM »
That is not free markets lol. Free market doesn’t exist here and it sure as hell doesn’t exist in China.

Khaki pants being made in China is not a big deal. If that’s as far as production moving to China ever went, then China would be nothing more than a bigger, more successful Vietnam.

It’s the high-tech/medical equipment/pharmaceuticals/chemicals/vehicles/battery tech/solar - all the IMPORTANT shit you know- that’s ALL based on AMERICAN TECH/IP that’s the problem.
We allowed our companies to cheaply make shit in china. We as people bought tons and tons of it. That's the market part. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #940 on: April 01, 2020, 07:10:36 PM »
Maybe the spread has the most to do with the fact that this thing spreads like freakin' crazy.

Even in Italy, where they've instituted lockdowns for basically 3 weeks, all they can do is get the spread to go from exponential growth to linear growth.

Sure, the CCP tried to hide this. But I don't think they had any chance of stopping it.
Or, maybe it had something to do with the CCP covering it up, and sending its "insignificant" lambs out into the world, starting in Italy.


Bring down the US economy? Short-term success.

Collude with Russia to convince them to cut oil by increasing production, thereby hurting the US producers? Short-term success.


The war starts now, and it starts with bringing China down - Economically or otherwise.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #941 on: April 01, 2020, 07:11:26 PM »
You’re kind of proving my point for me brother. Lenovo was NOT a serious player at all in the US or European PC market AT ALL until it was gifted tech/name brand recognition by a stupid American company. Lenovo was a piss ant that bought IBM’s PC business and that IMMEDIATELY put them on the map.

Chinese companies never made viable pc computers before then. Chinese companies really didn’t make anything of value. China was a poor backwater shithole before American multinationals started moving in beginning in the 80s. The Chinese didn’t have the technology to make jackshit. It was GREED from soulless lifeless American corporations that set up shop in China to exploit cheap labor and not have an EPA to deal with in order to make more and more money. And in order to gain access these dumbass US multinationals WILLINGLY gave up their trade secrets/tech/ip to China.

Apple very easily could’ve made their products here, charged the same amount of money for them, people still would’ve bought them by the shitloads and maybe they’d have accumulated $80 billion or $100 billion in cash instead of the TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY billion in CASH they had at one point. That’s nothing but greed. They produce there for one reason and one reasons only- it’s cheaper and they make more money by producing there.

Apple has spent about $175 billion on stock buybacks. Imagine if they had spent that money investing in American factories and jobs.

Yes, Lenovo bought IBM's PC business.  That immediately brought them into the same IP range as their competitors.  Once they did that, manufacturing at lower prices than their American competitors was easy to do, especially with subsidies from the Chinese government-- subsidies that they derive from interest money that WE are paying them for owning our debt.

You really don't want to argue the basics of this stuff with me.  Overall I'm agreeing with you, but I can assure you I know the details better than you do.   I've stood up manufacturing lines at Chinese ODMs for American company's products.  I've worked directly with Chinese employees both of my own company, and our ODM vendors, throughout the process.  I know the business.  I know what I'm talking about.

Apple is an outlier and not really part of the overall discussion.  I agree that they could manufacture entirely in the USA and still be alright-- and indeed they've already moved some significant portions of their manufacturing into the USA, with more planned.  Austin is a major hub for that activity.

But computers, displays, most other consumer electronics-- that'a a different story.

Again, American consumers aren't willing to pay more for American goods.  I've literally, directly, performed this exact experiment.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #942 on: April 01, 2020, 07:11:51 PM »
The lives of millions bet on confidently underestimating the enemy.

We've done the latter part before. It often doesn't end well.
This is different.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #943 on: April 01, 2020, 07:12:36 PM »
Highly doubt the CCP would use nukes. First of all their arsenal isn’t that big. They are thought to have 250-300 nuclear warheads. The US has what- like 7,000? The US is still to this day the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war. Does China really want to risk getting wiped out with nukes? I don’t think so. We’ve got a shitload more of them than they do. 

America might be a broken country that has morphed into an oligarchy and a society that doesn’t give a shit about one another anymore- but were still pretty damn good at war.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #944 on: April 01, 2020, 07:16:01 PM »
... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out.

But the Free Markets aren't working.  You CAN'T have free market competition with China, they're not a capitalist country.  The government is so intertwined with the corporations that the government IS the corporations.  Their nationalized banking industry is taking our money from us, funneling it to subsidize their nationalized manufacturing sector, and beating us over the head with it.  

This is NOT the free market at work, at all.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #945 on: April 01, 2020, 07:17:09 PM »
Highly doubt the CCP would use nukes. First of all their arsenal isn’t that big. They are thought to have 250-300 nuclear warheads. The US has what- like 7,000? The US is still to this day the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war. Does China really want to risk getting wiped out with nukes? I don’t think so. We’ve got a shitload more of them than they do.

America might be a broken country that has morphed into an oligarchy and a society that doesn’t give a shit about one another anymore- but were still pretty damn good at war.
To the "elite", perhaps.

The CCP would Nuke their own, rather than go down to us. They just proved this, with this "virus".
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #946 on: April 01, 2020, 07:19:52 PM »
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #947 on: April 01, 2020, 07:20:24 PM »
This is different.
"It's different this time" is possibly the scariest phrase in human history.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #948 on: April 01, 2020, 07:22:26 PM »
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #949 on: April 01, 2020, 07:25:15 PM »
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.
They don’t just want us consuming their goods. They want to end global American hegemony. They want to knock the US off the mountain top of the world stage. They want the entire world consuming their goods and they want influence and power over the entire world. 

We have to end them. Period. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #950 on: April 01, 2020, 07:26:34 PM »
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.
You're prolly too young to remember F-Troop - O'Roarke and Agarn - classic.Indians and the cavalry - well they're really not all that
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #951 on: April 01, 2020, 07:27:58 PM »
 They want to knock the US off the mountain top of the world stage. 
Hell we'll do that ourselves
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