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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8932 on: September 24, 2020, 03:27:34 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 24, 2020, 03:14:04 PM
I'd guess if that shows up in Phase 3 the vaccine would not be approved.

They probably need >50% and no side effects.
Like I said, it could be effective right now, and not effective by the time it hits the market, as the novel coronavirus mutates.  

I mean, it's known and inevitable that it will mutate.  The only question is, will any potential vaccine still be able to affect it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8933 on: September 24, 2020, 03:30:08 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8934 on: September 24, 2020, 03:33:51 PM »
I'm always open to optimistic news.  We won't know, 'til we know, but I like smiling so there you have it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8935 on: September 24, 2020, 03:34:40 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8936 on: September 24, 2020, 05:36:46 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 24, 2020, 03:26:21 PM
The phased trials don't really have anything to do with that.  Viruses mutate-- inevitably, always.  Which is one reason why even the flu vaccine is only 25% effective (or less) some seasons, even when they toss multiple strains into the flu vaccine.

We have not once, ever, developed an effective vaccine for any of the numerous coronaviruses we've faced in the past, coronaviruses that have been with us for centuries or even millennia.  There are some different reasons for that, and one could be that we've never tried this hard and applied this level of resources to it, in all of human history.  But another factor is that coronaviruses are tricky bugs.
Viruses mutate, but this one appears to mutate much more slowly than the flu. From what I understand, the structure of an influenza virus is much simpler than that of a coronavirus, which makes it easier and more common for mutations to happen, and while many of those mutations make the virus fail, the higher mutation rate makes it more likely that it will find another successful mutation each time. 

BTW we have developed an effective vaccine for coronavirus... In animals. We might have successfully done so for SARS or MERS, but neither of those have garnered as much resources as this. SARS because it wasn't highly transmissible and died out on its own; MERS because it's not as highly transmissible so although it hasn't died out, it's nothing like COVID.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8937 on: September 24, 2020, 05:41:55 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 24, 2020, 05:36:46 PM
Viruses mutate, but this one appears to mutate much more slowly than the flu. From what I understand, the structure of an influenza virus is much simpler than that of a coronavirus, which makes it easier and more common for mutations to happen, and while many of those mutations make the virus fail, the higher mutation rate makes it more likely that it will find another successful mutation each time.

BTW we have developed an effective vaccine for coronavirus... In animals. We might have successfully done so for SARS or MERS, but neither of those have garnered as much resources as this. SARS because it wasn't highly transmissible and died out on its own; MERS because it's not as highly transmissible so although it hasn't died out, it's nothing like COVID.

So you just agreed with everything I stated. :)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8938 on: September 24, 2020, 05:57:49 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 24, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
So you just agreed with everything I stated. :)
No, I explained why the flu vaccine isn't as effective as others... Because flu mutates VERY quickly, whereas coronavirus doesn't.

And I contradicted your claim that we've never developed an effective coronavirus vaccine. We have. We just haven't done it in humans, partly because we've never really faced one like this and applied the resources to it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8939 on: September 24, 2020, 06:03:43 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 24, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
No, I explained why the flu vaccine isn't as effective as others... Because flu mutates VERY quickly, whereas coronavirus doesn't.

And I contradicted your claim that we've never developed an effective coronavirus vaccine. We have. We just haven't done it in humans, partly because we've never really faced one like this and applied the resources to it.

Coronavirus mutates.  For sure.  Which is what I stated.  We already know it has done so numerous times since we first encountered it early this year.  Not sure if that counts as "quickly" but the REAL issue is whether or not it will mutate in a way that will render whatever vaccine we attempt to develop, useless.

And on the second point, you're being overly pedantic, which you already know.  No offense intended to animals, but I don't give a rat's ass about vaccines developed for animals.  We've never, in the history of our civilization, developed an effective vaccine for humans, against any coronavirus.  

So we're in agreement then. :)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8940 on: September 24, 2020, 06:07:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 24, 2020, 06:03:43 PM
So we're in agreement then. :)
Beer is good. Yes we are.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8941 on: September 24, 2020, 06:13:12 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 24, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
Beer is good. Yes we are.
Amen, brutha!

Speaking of which, @MrNubbz would be excited to know that the world-famous Austin-based Celis Brewery is about to release a Vienna-style lager aptly named "Beer Hall."  This marks the first time I've ever seen them do that.  I'll admit, I'm pretty excited about it myself.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8942 on: September 25, 2020, 06:09:31 AM »
Looks quenching to say the least.I've had 6 different Fest Bier offerings from the crafts.Can't say as I've been disappointed.Send a sixer from that Austin Affiliate willing to take another try
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8943 on: September 25, 2020, 08:35:07 AM »
GA had a small upsurge in reported new cases which has abated and the trend is headed down again.  Sweden meanwhile is doing really well for some reason.

France is not doing well at all.  They are gradually closing stuff down.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8944 on: September 25, 2020, 08:53:15 AM »
Stay healthy and contract the virus at the same time. Worked for me, suckas. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8945 on: September 25, 2020, 09:05:06 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2020, 08:53:15 AM
Stay healthy and contract the virus at the same time. Worked for me, suckas.
Shoot, my 80+ year-old inlaws are done with it now, too.  I'm over here wondering whether or not I should risk going to the grocery store for some milk that my kids desperately need, while they're cruising through casinos in Louisiana without a care in the world!
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