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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8386 on: September 01, 2020, 01:17:32 PM »
Yup, Georgia is clearly superior to Sweden.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8387 on: September 01, 2020, 01:20:14 PM »
SEC, SEC, SEC
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8388 on: September 01, 2020, 01:52:52 PM »
Latency combined with high contagion rate during that period.

A WSJ article opined that the US hit the worst possible approach to this, a shut down that wasn't long enough, and just bulling through it with current precautions would have been a better compromise (a la Sweden).  France shut down and reopened and is shutting down again partially because the rates are going back up.  And they start back to K-12 school today.

NY state, hit hard early, now is way down.  States not hit hard early went up, and now are coming down.

Area under the curve.

When did we last have a flu season with 170,000 deaths?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8389 on: September 01, 2020, 02:01:33 PM »
Latency combined with high contagion rate during that period.

A WSJ article opined that the US hit the worst possible approach to this, a shut down that wasn't long enough, and just bulling through it with current precautions would have been a better compromise (a la Sweden).  France shut down and reopened and is shutting down again partially because the rates are going back up.  And they start back to K-12 school today.

NY state, hit hard early, now is way down.  States not hit hard early went up, and now are coming down.

Area under the curve.

When did we last have a flu season with 170,000 deaths?
New York still doesn't have inside bars open, or inside restaurants open at any meaningful capacity, as well.  If/when they do, then I expect to see their cases begin to climb again, just as they did in Italy and Spain (and Texas and other US states) when they reopened bars and allowed meaningful interior restaurant capacity.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8390 on: September 01, 2020, 02:09:07 PM »
Bars/nightclubs are closed here and restaurants inside are at 50% capacity, though I'm seeing some around us ignoring that.

We spiked here in June to a very worrisome extent, some hospitals were at 105% capacity.  Then the rate of new reported cases dropped in August from about 3800 per day to about 2200 per day.

A local strip bar had a sign out that said "Clothed until further notice".  There is an area about 2 miles north of us that has 6-7 strip bars, fairly seedy looking.  My liquor store is just to the other side of them.  


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« Reply #8391 on: September 01, 2020, 02:13:51 PM »
Bars/nightclubs are closed here and restaurants inside are at 50% capacity, though I'm seeing some around us ignoring that.

We spiked here in June to a very worrisome extent, some hospitals were at 105% capacity.  Then the rate of new reported cases dropped in August from about 3800 per day to about 2200 per day.

A local strip bar had a sign out that said "Clothed until further notice".  There is an area about 2 miles north of us that has 6-7 strip bars, fairly seedy looking.  My liquor store is just to the other side of them. 


Yup, same here.  Bars opened in May, then closed in late June/July as the numbers of cases/hospitalizations/ICU climbed.  Restaurants dropped back from 75% to 50%.  Now Texas in general, and Austin specifically, are back on a better trajectory.

Pretty clear that bars, and full restaurants, that are inside, are among the worst areas of spread.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8392 on: September 01, 2020, 02:15:49 PM »
Hot off the press from Morrill Hall: the Maroon-and-Gold Sunrise Plan, the plan to resume move-in. The following was sent out a few minutes ago to all students and staff of the University: 


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Dear Twin Cities students, faculty, and staff,

With approval from our Board of Regents, we made the decision on Aug. 24 to delay for two weeks the start of most in-person classes and the move-in of students to our residence halls on three of our campuses, including here in the Twin Cities. We knew that taking a brief pause to learn from the challenges of our peers around the country as students returned to their campuses would allow the University to adjust its approach once again to mitigate the transmission of the virus and provide a higher level of safety for our students, faculty, and staff.

Today, we have a way forward that allows us to adapt our extensive plans developed over the summer and offer a return to on-campus life and instruction that prioritizes your safety while mitigating the spread of COVID-19. The Maroon and Gold Sunrise Plan adds a layer to existing plans for Fall 2020, and specifically addresses how we will welcome undergraduate students back to our residence halls.
This plan requires full community participation if we are to be successful. In particular, not only do we need our undergraduate students who live in on-campus housing to participate, we also need partnership off campus in fraternities and sororities, and from students who live close by. It will be difficult and it won’t look like a traditional fall on our campus, but if we all commit to this plan, commit to our health precautions, and fully utilize the MTest plan, we can continue with on-campus courses, active residence halls, and other activities this semester.

The Plan includes the following carefully-designed “steps” for students at the Duluth, Rochester, and Twin Cities campuses:
Step One - Students living in housing will have limited on-campus activities. They will live and learn almost exclusively within residence halls for at least 10 days with some exceptions, such as attending any in-person classes, utilizing dining or campus health facilities, going to work, tending to family emergencies, or being outdoors while physically distancing. Students should not visit other residence halls, nor businesses or residences off campus during this step.
Step Two - Students in University housing will have increased access, including visiting all on-campus locations and the surrounding community. However, students must be “back home” in their room by 9 p.m. Step Two is expected to last two weeks, provided public health guidance indicates good compliance and progress.
Step Three - Students in University housing will have full access to University facilities and communities off campus as they do in Step Two, but they must be “back home” in their room by midnight. This step is also expected to last at least two weeks.
Step Four - As in the other steps, students are asked to wear masks, maintain physical distancing, and avoid large gatherings as they continue to have full access to on- and off-campus locations. But different from Step Three, there are no “back home” time constraints during this step.

For students living off campus who may be taking in-person courses and visiting campus facilities, please limit your on-campus interactions if possible. We encourage you to continue to be safe, wear a mask, maintain physical distancing from those not in your household, avoid large gatherings and get tested if you have COVID-19 symptoms or are instructed to seek testing by a public health or medical official. The MTest program is available to all students regardless of where you live, so please utilize it should you feel sick.

We will also be sharing our plans with officials, business owners, and landlords in the neighborhoods and cities where our campuses are located. We need their partnership to make this a successful semester.
Students, I know this is a lot to ask, especially of the many of you who will be experiencing campus life for the first time. It will be a challenge, but it is worth it. We have such confidence in each of you. Your choices and judgment at each step will play a critical role in allowing us to progress to the final phase, and your work to keep yourself and others safe and healthy will pay off in the opportunity for all students to remain on campus, rather than reverting to distance learning as we did in the spring.

I send you this message with the full conviction that together we can do this and do it well. Our plan allows us to come back, serve our students and our mission, all the while prioritizing health and safety to make our campus environment as safe as the communities in which we exist. We will show our communities, our state, and the country that the University of Minnesota continues to be a leader in COVID-19 research and clinical care, as well as a model for a hybrid approach to teaching this semester. And we will continue to offer the flexibility and options we all need to make the best individual decisions for our health and those around us.

Thank you all for your commitment to a healthy and safe semester. In addition to the plan linked above, remember to visit the Fall 2020 website and watch for additional information to be sent this week specific to your living or learning plans.

With warmest wishes,
Joan Gabel




My money is that the whole thing is blown to hell by September 30.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8393 on: September 01, 2020, 02:22:47 PM »
GA hasn't really changed much at all since the grand reopening.  Cases jumped, and then have declined, no change in policies during that curve.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8394 on: September 01, 2020, 02:27:34 PM »
Hot off the press from Morrill Hall: the Maroon-and-Gold Sunrise Plan, the plan to resume move-in. The following was sent out a few minutes ago to all students and staff of the University:




My money is that the whole thing is blown to hell by September 30.
Well, yeah.  This plan expects on-campus students to abide by a pretty strict quarantine for 10 days, and a 9 PM curfew for almost the first month.  It also doesn't list out any metrics on what is an "acceptable" number or percentage of cases versus what is "unacceptable" which tells me that like every other school out there, the moment ANY cases occur, they're going to rush to shut it all down again.

But hey, they'll get those in-person tuition dollars while offering only online education, so it's totally okay.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8395 on: September 01, 2020, 03:32:21 PM »

A local strip bar had a sign out that said "Clothed until further notice".  There is an area about 2 miles north of us that has 6-7 strip bars, fairly seedy looking.  My liquor store is just to the other side of them. 


so you are forced to visit this area regularly to acquire your liquor?

I see.....
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8396 on: September 01, 2020, 03:33:17 PM »
Well, yeah.  This plan expects on-campus students to abide by a pretty strict quarantine for 10 days, and a 9 PM curfew for almost the first month.  It also doesn't list out any metrics on what is an "acceptable" number or percentage of cases versus what is "unacceptable" which tells me that like every other school out there, the moment ANY cases occur, they're going to rush to shut it all down again.

But hey, they'll get those in-person tuition dollars while offering only online education, so it's totally okay.

can't really bill for room and board if the students don't move into the dorms for a week or two
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8397 on: September 01, 2020, 03:58:40 PM »
so you are forced to visit this area regularly to acquire your liquor?

I see.....
Heh, the wife is usually with me, but I never really liked strip clubs.  We had a guy on our baseball team who, when we traveled, would engage the services of a hooker each night.  I was pretty fascinated by how you even find a hooker.  He had a girlfriend back at home also.  That team always wanted to go to a strip club, I'd tag along on occasion.  It was interesting how the rules changed from state to state, Florida was full nudes as is Georgia, while Ohio has pasties.

The whole experience was odd to me.

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« Reply #8398 on: September 01, 2020, 03:59:07 PM »
can't really bill for room and board if the students don't move into the dorms for a week or two
Exactly.

Gotta get them in for a few weeks, cash the checks, and then send them home while shrugging their shoulders and saying, "Sorry, as you can tell, we gave it the ol' college try."

The complete lack of transparency on metrics for acceptable limits is the dead giveaway that there's no actual good faith dealing occurring here.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8399 on: September 01, 2020, 05:40:16 PM »
This pandemic has been bad obviously, but considering the possibilities we faced back in late March, it has not been as bad as I feared.


 

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