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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8036 on: August 13, 2020, 08:40:01 AM »
This thread has become a comedy.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8037 on: August 13, 2020, 09:02:39 AM »
I don't know what you mean by that, but feel free to stop reading it/posting in it if you don't like it. It's a free country.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8038 on: August 13, 2020, 09:10:45 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 13, 2020, 08:40:01 AM
This thread has become a comedy.
Please tell us what you find amusing about this thread
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8039 on: August 13, 2020, 09:32:13 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 12, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
apparently the USA is a country that "limits" use

what the hell is that supposed to mean? 

there are countries than "ban" this drug??  because it's so deadly???

WTH?
It's not "deadly."  But there are many adverse side effects, including damage to the heart and other internal organs.  That could lead to early deaths down the road.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8040 on: August 13, 2020, 09:35:15 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on August 13, 2020, 01:39:53 AM
I received this today from mom and dad. Grandma put it in her WWII scrapbook. Unfortunately her brother-in-law would be killed.

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I'm getting "link is broken," Hawkinole.
But I'm not a Facebook member.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8041 on: August 13, 2020, 09:37:39 AM »
From the New York Times.


The pandemic’s true toll

The number of U.S. residents who have died since March is now more than 200,000 higher than it would be in a normal year, a Times analysis found. Those “excess deaths” most likely reflect the true cost of the pandemic — and suggest that the official death toll may be a substantial undercount.
By The New York Times | Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
As the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. has moved south from its early epicenter in New York, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social-distancing restrictions.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8042 on: August 13, 2020, 09:44:41 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 13, 2020, 09:37:39 AM
From the New York Times.


The pandemic’s true toll

The number of U.S. residents who have died since March is now more than 200,000 higher than it would be in a normal year, a Times analysis found. Those “excess deaths” most likely reflect the true cost of the pandemic — and suggest that the official death toll may be a substantial undercount.

By The New York Times | Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

As the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. has moved south from its early epicenter in New York, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social-distancing restrictions.




I believe the opposite to be true. The dock Doc thinks the same, based on our talk last night. He thinks deaths are over-counted by about 50%. 

He does not believe in using HCQ. He does use that steroid treatment, with much success.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8043 on: August 13, 2020, 09:52:20 AM »
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday warned against being swayed by “stale” data from the Department of Health on a day that Miami-Dade County reported a massive jump in reported coronavirus cases.

He said a “data dump” from a new lab was responsible for the spike and that he was going to “fix” that with the department but did not elaborate on what that meant.

Miami-Dade reported 4,141 positive COVID-19 cases on Wednesday. Its previous highest recent daily tally was 3,576 on July 12 and the county had not reported more than 2,000 daily cases since Aug. 1.

“Was this a sudden surge in new infections? No. As it turns out it was a data dump from a new private lab that included results from as far back as June. The data was stale. It was not indicative of current trends much less a quote record day of fresh infections in Miami,” DeSantis said during an address about the pandemic from the state Capitol. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8044 on: August 13, 2020, 10:03:04 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8045 on: August 13, 2020, 10:04:32 AM »
tough for many to count cases, deaths, or votes

many experts just can't friggin count
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8046 on: August 13, 2020, 10:21:05 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 13, 2020, 09:44:41 AM
I believe the opposite to be true. The dock Doc thinks the same, based on our talk last night. He thinks deaths are over-counted by about 50%.

He does not believe in using HCQ. He does use that steroid treatment, with much success.
Excess deaths analysis doesn't mean all of them died from COVID. However a lot more people are dying than "normal" in 2020. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8047 on: August 13, 2020, 10:22:26 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 13, 2020, 10:03:04 AM
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/russian-and-other-covid-vaccines/

Good article on vaccine development
One thing I dont think the article stressed was the fact that we are not waiting for a vaccine candidate to be declared the winner before production

It is our goal to start producing the top two or three candidates by the end of September so that when a winner is declared we will already have millions of doses available for distribution
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8048 on: August 13, 2020, 10:24:45 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 13, 2020, 10:21:05 AM
Excess deaths analysis doesn't mean all of them died from COVID. However a lot more people are dying than "normal" in 2020.
Supposedly. I don't know what to believe anymore. I find that to be sad.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8049 on: August 13, 2020, 10:40:50 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 13, 2020, 10:24:45 AM
Supposedly. I don't know what to believe anymore. I find that to be sad.
It's the one metric that should be almost entirely free from argument. We can argue about cases. We can argue about attribution of deaths. But we know how many people are dead. That's simple counting.

Yearly deaths are relatively stable and predictable. This year we have a lot more of them than usual, even in excess of those we've attributed to COVID. 

I agree, it's sad. And it's going to take months at least for us to delve into the data fully and explain it all. But number of dead [from any cause] at this time in 2020 compared to number of dead at this time in 2019 or 2018 shouldn't be a number you have trouble believing.
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