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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8022 on: August 12, 2020, 01:24:47 PM »
Other countries, and several doctors in THIS country, are having success with it. My doctor has used it. None of his patients are dead.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8023 on: August 12, 2020, 01:29:49 PM »
I suppose but the people conducting the clinical trials would be the best source.
This drug has no profit in it so the folks conducting the clinical trials may be tempted to go with a drug that has the ability to general huge profits

I have no proof of this 

its only my observation
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8024 on: August 12, 2020, 01:35:10 PM »
graphs are just pretty statistics

usually no explanation of how the stats were gathered

lies. damned lies, & statistics
Honestly I am not disputing their stats. Looks pretty legit.

But if I wanted to deceive someone into thinking there was a big conspiracy against HCQ, I'd cherry-pick a bunch of countries with high death rates that limit HCQ, omitting other countries with high death rates that don't limit HCQ. I'd then cherry-pick a bunch of countries with low death rates that use HCQ. 

Unless I understand why those 9 high-death countries were left off the graph and the 5 others were put on the graph, I consider it completely useless information.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8025 on: August 12, 2020, 01:38:24 PM »
that's the problem with stats, they may be accurate as hell

just not showing fully what is going on, purposefully misleading

completely useless or worse

usually compiled by "experts"
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8026 on: August 12, 2020, 01:41:29 PM »
Other countries, and several doctors in THIS country, are having success with it. My doctor has used it. None of his patients are dead.
apparently the USA is a country that "limits" use

what the hell is that supposed to mean? 

there are countries than "ban" this drug??  because it's so deadly???

WTH?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8027 on: August 12, 2020, 01:42:21 PM »
I suppose but the people conducting the clinical trials would be the best source.
exactly, but them you have to determine their agenda
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8028 on: August 12, 2020, 02:02:32 PM »
I suppose but the people conducting the clinical trials would be the best source.
Depends if they're research scientists or Big Pharma - the latter will bend those numbers to fit the narrative
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8029 on: August 12, 2020, 02:26:47 PM »
I don't know why it's not being used. It's been around for years and years and was deemed safe by the FDA for all that time. Now all of sudden it's dangerous. Whatever. So is aspirin.
It's assume it's risk/reward. 

If it's not shown to raise success rates but creates more risk, probably not recommended. 

In any case, maybe the world is just that crazy and doctors en masse are ignoring the magic cure to something that's grinding our nation and world to a halt. I suppose it's an exercise in where we place our cynicism. Some are cynical of the medical establishment writ large (not unfair), others are cynical of an apparatus that doesn't mind puffing up questionable stories and local doctors who go on the evening news. 

If it turns out that is really is a magic cure, there will be HELL to pay. But ignored magical cures are probably a rarity in general.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8030 on: August 12, 2020, 02:30:59 PM »
apparently the USA is a country that "limits" use

what the hell is that supposed to mean? 


there are countries than "ban" this drug??  because it's so deadly???

WTH?
Admittedly it's not scientific, but twitter searches on limits and the drug name don't yield much. 

Are we sure that's not just a term used but someone who wanted to make an MS paint graphic to stir folks up and get attention?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8031 on: August 12, 2020, 06:33:08 PM »
I think "limits" in this context might mean, "doesn't have the government pushing it, or large numbers of doctors advocating it."

Maybe.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8032 on: August 12, 2020, 06:38:49 PM »
It's assume it's risk/reward.

If it's not shown to raise success rates but creates more risk, probably not recommended.

In any case, maybe the world is just that crazy and doctors en masse are ignoring the magic cure to something that's grinding our nation and world to a halt. I suppose it's an exercise in where we place our cynicism. Some are cynical of the medical establishment writ large (not unfair), others are cynical of an apparatus that doesn't mind puffing up questionable stories and local doctors who go on the evening news.

If it turns out that is really is a magic cure, there will be HELL to pay. But ignored magical cures are probably a rarity in general.

I haven't really seen anyone advocating it as a "magic cure" and I believe it's disingenuous to label it as such, with a pretty clear intention to advance an agenda and dismiss it as charlatanism.

The doctors I've seen advocate it, seem to assert that its use must occur quite early in the infection, and that is when it is effective.  Administering in later stages doesn't help.  If a patient's already at the hospital, they're beyond its reach.

I'm not going to comment on the validity of its use, but as I've been stating for months, the science is pretty clearly not "settled" on it.  There are real, actual doctors all o over the country, and all over the world, that believe it is aiding their patients.  And only one of those doctors, is on record with the whole "demon semen" thing. :)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8033 on: August 12, 2020, 06:43:09 PM »
My understanding is that the more advanced the virus is in a person the less effective it is

this drug is best used either before a person tests positive or very soon thereafter
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8034 on: August 12, 2020, 08:33:28 PM »
Has anyone heard from HonestBuckeye?

How his wife is doing

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8035 on: August 13, 2020, 01:39:53 AM »
I received this today from mom and dad. Grandma put it in her WWII scrapbook. Unfortunately her brother-in-law would be killed. 

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