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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7224 on: July 22, 2020, 05:52:13 PM »
We used to have a name for some miracle compound that would do whatever management wanted done, "dimethylbats---".

I would get asked in meetings how long it would take me to invent this miracle whatever.  Dude, this stuff is unknown, it may not ever be known, I'll give it a shot.

I would usually say 22 months.  That was a good length of time and the manager usually would have moved on.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7225 on: July 22, 2020, 06:09:25 PM »
did you notice they didnt name the drug
I didn't. What do you feel should be inferred from that?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7226 on: July 22, 2020, 06:10:12 PM »
We used to have a name for some miracle compound that would do whatever management wanted done, "dimethylbats---".

I would get asked in meetings how long it would take me to invent this miracle whatever.  Dude, this stuff is unknown, it may not ever be known, I'll give it a shot.

I would usually say 22 months.  That was a good length of time and the manager usually would have moved on.
 make sure it has alcohol in it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7227 on: July 22, 2020, 06:11:20 PM »
I didn't. What do you feel should be inferred from that?
not sure but if I was gonna run a scam I wouldnt name the drug either
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7228 on: July 22, 2020, 06:18:51 PM »
not sure but if I was gonna run a scam I wouldnt name the drug either
After googling him, he named the drug in his press conference. It's generic budesonide. 

I'd love, LOVE, for him to be right. But I'm at best skeptical some family doc who called a presser for the local news channels has it figured out. Maybe he or someone else at his level will and will do it that way, but until it actually starts turning the tide on this stupid thing, I'm full up on randos peddling wonder drugs. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7229 on: July 22, 2020, 06:51:25 PM »
After googling him, he named the drug in his press conference. It's generic budesonide.

I'd love, LOVE, for him to be right. But I'm at best skeptical some family doc who called a presser for the local news channels has it figured out. Maybe he or someone else at his level will and will do it that way, but until it actually starts turning the tide on this stupid thing, I'm full up on randos peddling wonder drugs.
Right you are

Heres another article with more info on it


ttps://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/14/is-inhaled-steroid-budesonide-really-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/


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o I hereby remove scam alert and replace it with hope this doctor is right
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7230 on: July 22, 2020, 07:15:12 PM »
I can say authoritatively ill likely travel 21 days in 2021 for work compared to about 56 days in the typical year.  Our heavy duty travelers will do about 35 down from 100+

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7231 on: July 22, 2020, 09:01:33 PM »
Right you are

Heres another article with more info on it


ttps://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/14/is-inhaled-steroid-budesonide-really-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/


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o I hereby remove scam alert and replace it with hope this doctor is right
I wouldn't say he's wrong, though I think steroids have rapidly become a treatment for severe cases so I'm not sure he's original

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7232 on: July 22, 2020, 09:10:02 PM »
No doctor worth a damn would call a potential wellness aid a "silver bullet".....is our society just completely incessant on an easy, cure-all?  FFS.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7233 on: July 22, 2020, 09:33:50 PM »
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhaled-corticosteroids-a-rapid-review-of-the-evidence-for-treatment-or-prevention-of-covid-19/


  • We identified three studies that investigated the antiviral potential of the inhaled corticosteroid ciclesonide.
  • One study investigated the antiviral potential of ciclesonide against the SARS-CoV-2 virus in vitro, one against the MERS-CoV, HCoV-229E and SARS-CoV viruses in vitro and one was a case series of three patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 who were treated with inhaled ciclesonide.
  • Both in vitro studies indicated that ciclesonide has anti-viral properties against these respiratory viruses and the clinical study showed favourable outcomes in the three patients presented, however these clinical results should be treated with caution.
  • Inhaled ciclesonide is expected to reduce viral replication and pulmonary inflammation, whilst having lower immunosuppressive effects when compared to systematic corticosteroids.
  • A single in vitro study that investigated the antiviral potential of budesonide observed no reduction in viral replication in cells treated with budesonide and no reduction in inflammatory cytokine release.
  • Additional data is required both in vitro and in vivo to help consider whether inhaled corticosteroids may be used for the treatment of COVID-19 pneumonia; at the time of writing there is one study underway investigating the safety and efficacy of inhaled ciclesonide for the treatment of COVID-19 in the US and three further studies due to start recruiting (one each in Sweden, Canada and South Korea).9

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7234 on: July 23, 2020, 12:42:49 AM »
California bypassed NY for most covid-19 cases.  

That crazy lady doctor that lies for Trump contacted 11 cities to tell them their cases are growing too fast (ie- test less, please).  Those cities are Vegas, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, etc.....just like I said back in March.  Big cities hit hardest first, then the smaller big cities......eventually that small town in Montana is going to be hit hard, too.  This is how it works.  

And from a low in deaths mid-July, they're jumping back up.  As was inevitable, considering whats being done.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7235 on: July 23, 2020, 07:38:32 AM »
So, where is the evidence this budesonide has any efficacy?  One in vitro study says no (in vitro is the simplest easiest kind of study that often can show efficacy in glass where there is none in vivo).


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7236 on: July 23, 2020, 08:39:13 AM »
TOKYO (AP) — The city of Tokyo announced a record 366 new daily coronavirus cases on Thursday, exceeding 300 for the first time as Japan begins a four-day weekend with many people joining a tourism promotion campaign that the government is pushing despite concerns of a new wave of infections nationwide.

The number of daily cases in Tokyo had fallen to just several in late May after the government ended a national state of emergency but have climbed steadily since late June, with the number tripling in the first three weeks of July. Tokyo now has 10,420 confirmed cases, including 327 deaths.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7237 on: July 23, 2020, 08:44:01 AM »
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The small, neighboring sheikhdoms of Bahrain and Qatar have the world’s highest per capita rates of coronavirus infections. In the two Mideast countries, COVID-19 epidemics initially swept undetected through camps housing healthy and young foreign laborers, studies now show.

In Qatar, a new study found that nearly 60% of those testing positive showed no symptoms at all, calling into question the usefulness of mass temperature checks meant to stop the infected from mingling with others. In Bahrain, authorities put the asymptomatic figure even higher, at 68%.


These results reflect both the wider problems faced by Gulf Arab countries reliant on cheap foreign labor and their relative success in tracking their COVID-19 epidemics, given their oil wealth and authoritarian governments.

Aggressive testing boosted the number of confirmed cases as health officials in Bahrain and Qatar targeted vulnerable labor camps and neighborhoods, where migrant workers from Asia sleep, eat and live up to dozen people per room.

“This is why globally we failed to control, I think, the infection because simply the response has been focused on trying to find cases and isolate them and quarantine their contacts,” said Laith Abu-Raddad, a disease researcher at Weill Cornell Medicine – Qatar. “Now, if most people getting the infection are actually spreading the infection without even knowing it, this really does not actually work.”


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