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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7042 on: July 17, 2020, 11:54:17 PM »
I'm left of you, which is obvious, and only on issues we've discussed here.  There's an entire ocean of issues you don't know my views on (and have no interest in, I'm guessing).  Considering me a blind radical is easier, I get it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7043 on: July 18, 2020, 01:12:05 AM »
You first.

If someone is asymptomatic, exactly how are they spreading the virus? If are not coughing and sneezing the presence of other people, how are they spreading it? I've been told it's not the actual virus itself, but water droplets that it is attached too. Are these people spitting on you? Are they french kissing you against your will?

If you have a problem with actual discussion, I don't know what to tell you. I've put myself out there telling what I think and my observations. So far, you nor anyone else has convinced me that I am wrong as the data that I've seen/read seems to contradict itself many times. What that happens, I start to look at why these things are being perpetuated. In other words, I know bullshit when I see it.
You don't have to talk or sneeze to spread it, NOB.  You can spread it by talking, or even by exhaling.  It can be aerosol-borne.  That's why indoor environments spread it so well.  The A/C blows it around.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7044 on: July 18, 2020, 01:22:52 AM »
This is from the New England Journal of Medicine. I consider it credible.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

This one is a review of existing studies.
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
This seems to be the bottom line of the article in the NEJM:

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What is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.

That is not at all the same thing as saying that wearing a mask when you go out in public is a waste of time.

In the second one, all of those studies are about the flu.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7045 on: July 18, 2020, 02:57:21 AM »
Wait, your sources matter AND what the sources say matters?!?!  Ah, (@*#$#&@*#@!!!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7046 on: July 18, 2020, 06:39:21 AM »
The hand washing was emphasized early because of some studies that purported to detect live virus on surfaces for a long time.  That was later clarified to mean some RNA fragments persisted, not live virus.  I have not seen a quality study on viral persistence on surfaces in contagious form.  RNA alone isn't going to give you the illness.

I still wash my hands when returning from outside anywhere, it's good practice for general reasons.  I THINK the transmission is mostly aerosolized droplets of moisture that someone encounters.  Obviously, if those droplets fall on a surface indoors, they will be contagious for some period of time, probably hours, I don't think days.

This could be wrong, so don't make book on it.  Just wear a mask.  We could lick this thing if everyone distanced and/or wore a mask.

I don't personally view that as either hard to do or some kind of weird government plot to take our guns and lock up Jews, or whatever the latest Facebook thing is.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7049 on: July 18, 2020, 01:32:34 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7050 on: July 18, 2020, 09:18:26 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7051 on: July 18, 2020, 09:26:54 PM »

Older children being age 10+
That's fifth graders, so all K-5 schools' adults at jeopardy.  Many, if not most elementary schools here in Phoenix are K-8.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7052 on: July 19, 2020, 07:05:15 AM »
I never heard the story that "children don't spread it".  Huh.

Why would anyone suspect that to be true?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7053 on: July 19, 2020, 08:37:34 AM »
there's every story imaginable out there if you look hard enough

how many stories are even a bit true?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7054 on: July 19, 2020, 09:48:34 AM »
Well, this is really screwed up.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/17/our-residents-are-afraid-hundreds-gather-at-osceola-parties-to-spread-covid-19-sheriff-says/

Why??
I'd assume the people are out there because they're being irresponsible. I assume the sheriff is talking about "Covid parties" because he is, to a degree, being irresponsible. I'd assume people are being drunken morons. The story of people trying to get sick is one that gets a lot of attention when people in positions of authority talk about it, but as a good skeptic, I'm leery of believing it's the thing some people paint it as.

It leads to two interesting outcomes. 1. There's a weird balance of concern where you write of people as "unsavory" and "gang members" but also show a level of concern about their health. 2. If it was true, it would seem the messaging the disease isn't really that bad got through. 

Anyway, it's also fascinating how so many places have so many problems with out of towners. Perhaps that speaks to of out owners generally being bad, or it just speaks to something about tribalism and responsibility. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7055 on: July 19, 2020, 10:08:42 AM »
My guess is those parties are just parties, probably without much "gang" activity as we think of gangs.


 

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