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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #6454 on:** July 08, 2020, 12:42:46 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 08, 2020, 12:03:59 PM

The county I live in just passed mandatory mask wearing in public. From what I’ve understood the meeting with the council members and the public was quite contentious, with almost everybody in attendance being against it yet the council voted for unanimously.

There are a lot of common sense exceptions to it like when your social distancing outside and exercising etc.

I guess several of the council members were vehemently opposed to it but when they took the misdemeanor off the table and just made it civil fines they all got on board

I actually applaud it even though it really isn’t going to change much because it seems to me that just about everybody is already wearing masks all the time anyway.

The positive rate in this county is very very high and growing even though the total number of cases is fairly minuscule.

The problem is that some people in this country that after all this, are so stupid that they won't wear a mask in public unless it's mandatory.

The other problem is that some people in this country are so stupid that, after all this, won't wear a mask in public because it's mandatory.

If the virus would just target them specifically, I wouldn't worry about either group. Sadly, it does not.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #6455 on:** July 08, 2020, 12:53:27 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on July 08, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

Purdue is Horns Down?

thats a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct - taunting

Cincydawg · « **Reply #6456 on:** July 08, 2020, 12:54:58 PM »

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/testing-problems-continue-in-georgia/85-01930b23-f15f-4fb6-8e45-ab98707e1e92

Hospitalizations in Georgia are up since it re-opened in early May.
Varkey says about 20 percent of people infected with the virus will require hospitalization. Among that group include about three to five percent who will end up in intensive care.
“It’s that group in the intensive care unit that I worry about, despite our best efforts in terms of caring for people with critical illnesses, they are going to be an increased risk of dying,” said Varkey.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #6457 on:** July 08, 2020, 01:26:07 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on July 08, 2020, 10:30:22 AM

you sound like me in reverse

It just seems like even the states where I'm not seeing a tick in the deaths, I'm seeing increases in hospitalizations.

Here in Orange County we've gone from about 187 ICU to over 220 just since Friday, and hospitalizations are up. Cincy in the post above this mentions that hospitalizations in GA (which also hasn't shown a strong uptick in deaths) are up.

We know it's bad in AZ, hospitalizations are getting worse in TX, and I don't have data on FL. But all three of those states have started to show a trend up in deaths that is starting to be long-lived enough that it's not looking like a fluke or noise.

A week ago I was saying "wait and see"; now I'm saying I'll be absolutely shocked if the trend doesn't change based on the data.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #6458 on:** July 08, 2020, 01:48:21 PM »

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-coronavirus-spreads-through-the-air-what-we-know-so-far1/?fbclid=IwAR2iazthDdEmPChm9zOk3yGqeEh3ySMIJtLZ7MJM-g6mH_RaVcxlKtFc5tw

A bit of detail perhaps, I think we know most of this already.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #6459 on:** July 08, 2020, 01:54:51 PM »

Especially for @badgerfan:

Cincydawg · « **Reply #6460 on:** July 08, 2020, 03:50:09 PM »

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02009-w?fbclid=IwAR2QyjTUW8qP6S-SNXrFqJekonWJLfBxte8JAl4V4e8aqfZocLK0sDdujgc

Riffraft · « **Reply #6461 on:** July 08, 2020, 03:56:14 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 08, 2020, 12:54:58 PM

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/testing-problems-continue-in-georgia/85-01930b23-f15f-4fb6-8e45-ab98707e1e92

Hospitalizations in Georgia are up since it re-opened in early May.
Varkey says about 20 percent of people infected with the virus will require hospitalization. Among that group include about three to five percent who will end up in intensive care.
“It’s that group in the intensive care unit that I worry about, despite our best efforts in terms of caring for people with critical illnesses, they are going to be an increased risk of dying,” said Varkey.

I believe it was a national statistic, but I just read recently that while covid cases are up, hospitalization has decreased from 11% to 5% of the cases as compared to I believe it was March, may have been April.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #6462 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:00:41 PM »

I believe it was a national statistic, but I just read recently that while covid cases are up, hospitalization has decreased from 11% to 5% of the cases as compared to I believe it was March, may have been April.

This is a distortion.

We are testing more, so we have more positives. We are simply diagnosing more people that have little to no symptoms. The virus is almost certainly NOT getting weaker, we are simply diagnosing more people.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #6463 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:02:55 PM »

Quote from: Riffraft on July 08, 2020, 03:56:14 PM

I believe it was a national statistic, but I just read recently that while covid cases are up, hospitalization has decreased from 11% to 5% of the cases as compared to I believe it was March, may have been April.

That makes sense. Because of increased testing, and because we're doing contact tracing, we're catching mild or asymptomatic cases that might not have been caught in March/April. So as a percentage of cases, hospitalization [and ICU and deaths] are expected to decrease.

The real question is whether we're now going to start seeing an uptick in hospitalizations [and ICU and deaths] as we've jumped from the low 20k ranges of new cases per day to over 50k new cases per day.

So far on hospitalizations, it points to yes.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #6464 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:03:50 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 08, 2020, 06:04:26 AM

Longhorn is right on the money of course.

The media narrative is that Covid cases are exploding so fast that the number of cases is over running the ICU capacity.

it’s called fear mongering.

Yinz really don't know how bad it can be. Hospitals were bursting at the seams not too long ago around here. It was absolutely NOT fear mongering.

Certainly the media is doing their best to get clicks and viewers, but I can promise you that this was really bad.

Riffraft · « **Reply #6465 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:04:07 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on July 08, 2020, 01:26:07 PM

It just seems like even the states where I'm not seeing a tick in the deaths, I'm seeing increases in hospitalizations.

Here in Orange County we've gone from about 187 ICU to over 220 just since Friday, and hospitalizations are up. Cincy in the post above this mentions that hospitalizations in GA (which also hasn't shown a strong uptick in deaths) are up.

We know it's bad in AZ, hospitalizations are getting worse in TX, and I don't have data on FL. But all three of those states have started to show a trend up in deaths that is starting to be long-lived enough that it's not looking like a fluke or noise.

A week ago I was saying "wait and see"; now I'm saying I'll be absolutely shocked if the trend doesn't change based on the data.

Arizona had a record number of death reported (117) the other day. Everybody harped on it, turns out that a fair number of deaths were from people who had died as far back as April, but were just now getting reported. ICU usage is at 84% with 85% of them being non-Covid cases. As I stated earlier the hospitalization rate has gone from 11% to 5% of cases. And a good part of the increase in hospital usage has come from elective things that people had been putting off either by choice or by force.

Riffraft · « **Reply #6466 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:05:57 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on July 08, 2020, 04:02:55 PM

That makes sense. Because of increased testing, and because we're doing contact tracing, we're catching mild or asymptomatic cases that might not have been caught in March/April. So as a percentage of cases, hospitalization [and ICU and deaths] are expected to decrease.

The real question is whether we're now going to start seeing an uptick in hospitalizations [and ICU and deaths] as we've jumped from the low 20k ranges of new cases per day to over 50k new cases per day.

So far on hospitalizations, it points to yes.

that is not the statistics that I have been seeing. Going to have to start pulling sources so I can cite them rather than come from my memory

Cincydawg · « **Reply #6467 on:** July 08, 2020, 04:15:34 PM »

Georgia is exploding in cases, and hospitalizations are going up pretty fast as well, reported deaths remain quite low however.

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

Hospital beds have gone from 800 to 2,000 in a month. New cases per day from 600 to nearly 3,500. Deaths remain around 15-20 per day.

I don't understand it. We were walking today and most people wear masks now unless they are well clear of anyone else and they take steps to stay clear when possible. This area I'd opine is mostly well educated people, so that may not be a pervasive situation.

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