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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5894 on: June 26, 2020, 12:32:45 PM »
The problem is that Loews or whomever is not set up to evict people who take their mask off, or even prevent people from coming into the store.  The Kroger near me had/has senior hour from 7-8 AM, only seniors allowed, supposedly, but they said their security guard didn't show up, so the store had plenty of 30 year olds in it.  Later the security guard wasn't preventing anyone from entering.  Later he disappeared entirely.

What does a store do if I put a mask on to gain entry and then take it off?  Throw me out physically?

Voluntary compliance is probably 50-70% anyway.  Making frequent and hard requests might improve that some, and making it mandatory could lead to other problems.

I'm in favor of getting as many as possible to wear a mask.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5895 on: June 26, 2020, 12:46:57 PM »
A good analogy would be indoor smoking bans. 

Back in the late 90s to early 2000s, literally EVERYONE (even smokers) knew that smoking was bad for you, that it causes lung cancer, and that being in smoke-filled indoor spaces was bad for others' health as well. 

But restaurants almost universally had smoking sections (and the smell didn't remain there) and bars allowed smoking. 

Because they had three groups of customers:


  • Those who demanded being able to smoke.
  • Those who didn't like smoke but were tolerant enough of it that they'd still go to restaurants/bars that allowed it.
  • Those who hated smoke so much that they wouldn't go to a place that allowed it.

Groups 1/2 together made up the overwhelming majority, even though group #1 might have been a minority, there just wasn't enough social pressure to keep from harming everyone.

Then California banned smoking in public places. Most other states eventually followed. Places that don't ban it (if any still exist) now have enough social pressure that if a restaurant or bar was explicitly non-smoking without being required, it likely wouldn't affect their business at all.

Social pressure changed, and the change ended up improving things for all of us. Smoking is still not illegal. But it's unclear that we would have gotten here without the indoor smoking bans.

I view the lockdowns in much the same way. I honestly believe that if a bunch of states didn't lock down, this thing would have exploded because Americans aren't good at taking "encouragement" to do the right thing. But the goal of the lockdown wasn't to stay locked down forever--it was to change behavior and social pressure such that when things reopened, people were being careful and appreciated the dangers. As you mentioned yourself, CD, Georgia "reopened" but it didn't seem to change much at first--people realized that they needed to be careful. Now it appears they've relaxed, and probably relaxed too much. 

That's where I think we are with mask orders. People seem to think that reopening means the danger has passed, and that if they're young and healthy there's no reason to have to wear a mask. The social pressure could quickly swing to the point where non-mask is the default, which endangers everyone, even those who choose to wear them. 


With masks being an encouragement, it tends to come down to a personal risk/reward behavior decision, and for each individual business it comes down to a "which customer group am I least afraid of pissing off" decision. When the importance is about societal spread, and maybe that means we need to take the decision-making power out of their hands until people realize that it's a good idea to wear a mask even if it's not comfortable.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5896 on: June 26, 2020, 12:55:55 PM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/atlanta-office-ghost-towns-wait-and-wait-and-wait-for-workers-return/hcxWy3Hd2LmqG7IEc70VdL/


Apparently the office workers are staying home still.  The protests probably helped spread this thing, the timing works.  And no doubt folks thinking "it's over" helped the spread, no doubt about it.

Most folks I encounter out and about are being sensible, nearly everyone, but I'm not going to parties and nightclubs etc.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5897 on: June 26, 2020, 01:02:44 PM »
Ouch.

Surprise Birthday Party Results In 18 Coronavirus Cases For 1 North Texas Family

Apparently 25 people were at the party. Asymptomatic carrier (host of the party) spread it to 7 of the guests, who then spread it to an additional 10 family members as it radiated out. 

At least one is still in ICU... Hope he gets better. 

I can't even begin to imagine what I'd be feeling if I'd been the host of that party. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5898 on: June 26, 2020, 01:07:35 PM »
Ouch.

Surprise Birthday Party Results In 18 Coronavirus Cases For 1 North Texas Family

Apparently 25 people were at the party. Asymptomatic carrier (host of the party) spread it to 7 of the guests, who then spread it to an additional 10 family members as it radiated out.

At least one is still in ICU... Hope he gets better.

I can't even begin to imagine what I'd be feeling if I'd been the host of that party.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5899 on: June 26, 2020, 01:08:27 PM »
TALLAHASSEE — The Florida Department of Health (DOH), in order to provide more comprehensive data, releases a report on COVID-19 cases in Florida once per day. The DOH COVID-19 dashboard is also providing updates once per day. The state also provides a report detailing surveillance data for every Florida county, which is available here.
 
Test results for more than 71,400 individuals were reported to DOH as of midnight, on Thursday, June 25. Today, as reported at 11 a.m., there are:
  • 8,942 new positive COVID-19 cases (8,850 Florida residents and 92 non-Florida residents)
  • 39 Florida resident deaths related to COVID-19
On June 25, 13.05 percent of new cases** tested positive.
There are a total of 122,960 Florida cases*** with 3,366 deaths related to COVID-19.




12.5 percent positive is not good.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5900 on: June 26, 2020, 01:26:04 PM »
thats kinda my view also

if the death rate holds where it is a high case rate isnt the worst thing on earth
I read somewhere this morning that Houston has run out of hospital capacity to treat COVID cases.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5901 on: June 26, 2020, 01:27:11 PM »
Florida closed bars today, in response to the rapid rise over the past couple of weeks. 

I'm trying to dig for demographics of all of these new cases, rather than rely on what I read on news sites.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5902 on: June 26, 2020, 01:32:23 PM »
Quick Hits: Today’s Top Stories
  • As of Thursday night, 2,421,134 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in the United States (an increase of 40,644 from yesterday) and 124,402 deaths have been attributed to the virus (an increase of 2,433* from yesterday), according to the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard, leading to a mortality rate among confirmed cases of 5.1 percent (the true mortality rate is likely much lower, between 0.4 percent and 1.4 percent, but it’s impossible to determine precisely due to incomplete testing regimens). Of 29,207,820 coronavirus tests conducted in the United States (640,465 conducted since yesterday), 8.3 percent have come back positive. (*New Jersey updated its COVID-19 statistics reporting yesterday to include probable deaths from the virus, boosting yesterday’s figure by 1,854. We have included that tally in the table below, but because these deaths were spread out over the past several months, the additional 1,854 deaths are excluded from the chart’s trendline.)
  • The Centers for Disease Control believes that 5 percent to 8 percent of Americans have been exposed to the coronavirus, though only about 0.7 percent have tested positive for it. “Our best estimate right now is that for every case that’s reported, there actually are 10 other infections,” the agency’s director, Robert Redfield, said on a call with reporters.
  • With a surge in new COVID-19 cases and the state’s hospitalizations at all-time highs, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced Thursday he is pausing Texas’s reopening and once again banning elective medical procedures. Abbott has not yet rolled back any existing reopening progress, meaning restaurants can continue to operate at 75 percent capacity and other businesses at 50 percent.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5903 on: June 26, 2020, 01:33:48 PM »
Ouch.

Surprise Birthday Party Results In 18 Coronavirus Cases For 1 North Texas Family

Apparently 25 people were at the party. Asymptomatic carrier (host of the party) spread it to 7 of the guests, who then spread it to an additional 10 family members as it radiated out.

At least one is still in ICU... Hope he gets better.

I can't even begin to imagine what I'd be feeling if I'd been the host of that party.


as I said yesterday, I think there will be families torn apart because a grandchild brought it to grandma... and she died.

Young people are where the cases are spiking.  They feel immune.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5904 on: June 26, 2020, 01:41:59 PM »
Nothing, because you are smart enough to not do it.
Yeah, but you never know. Obviously I wouldn't be hosting a 25-person party, but that doesn't mean there's no risk.

We had my in-laws over for Father's Day. It was only 7 people in total (me & my wife, them, and the kids). We did our best to distance and be responsible, didn't touch/hug, etc. But they were over for dinner, so we had a meal, passed things across the table, etc. Given that they're pretty isolated and haven't gotten to see the kids for months, we thought we'd be ok.

It was a risk, but we felt it was a minimal risk. I'd have hated for anything bad to have come from it. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5905 on: June 26, 2020, 01:42:28 PM »
I read somewhere this morning that Houston has run out of hospital capacity to treat COVID cases.
They are implementing emergency plans which will add more capacity

state wide there is no problem but its tight here in Houston
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« Reply #5906 on: June 26, 2020, 01:59:02 PM »
Yeah, but you never know. Obviously I wouldn't be hosting a 25-person party, but that doesn't mean there's no risk.

We had my in-laws over for Father's Day. It was only 7 people in total (me & my wife, them, and the kids). We did our best to distance and be responsible, didn't touch/hug, etc. But they were over for dinner, so we had a meal, passed things across the table, etc. Given that they're pretty isolated and haven't gotten to see the kids for months, we thought we'd be ok.

It was a risk, but we felt it was a minimal risk. I'd have hated for anything bad to have come from it.
We were invited to a friends' home yesterday, and we went. There were more people than I expected, but we all sat outside and there was little to no contact.

As a precaution, I scheduled a test for Monday.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5907 on: June 26, 2020, 02:18:52 PM »
Geeze, fellows, all we can do is what we individually can manage, and I'm sure everyone here understands what that means.  This isn't good at all.


 

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