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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5796 on: June 24, 2020, 05:44:09 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on June 24, 2020, 05:38:02 PM
It's not houndreds of thousands of deaths not even close.I take that back keep closing businesses and good people will be done playing by the rulz - it will surpass that but it won't be from covid
Really? Cite your work on the "it's not hundreds of thousands of deaths" prediction. We're at almost 125K based upon the most stringent social distancing requirements Americans have endured since the Spanish Flu, in a period of 3 months, and we have *MAYBE* 5% of our population infected by this point. 

I've cited mine over the past couple of days, why I believe that reaching herd immunity naturally would have that level of a death toll. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5797 on: June 24, 2020, 05:55:20 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 24, 2020, 05:36:33 PM
Was thinking about this today when I saw the tv ratings which were incredibly high( just under 8 Million)
and another roughly 10 Million between streaming digital and online.
A lot of people tuned in to see the empty seats.  Once news got out that the arena was more than half empty and the overflow stage was cancelled, it drew just about every liberal in to see the carnage.

I'm pretty moderate, but that was going to be a trainwreck from the start.  They bragged over 1 million people were coming.  To a 19,000 arena.  In Oklahoma.  It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.  Is the campaign manage an Ohio State grad?  :)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5798 on: June 24, 2020, 05:57:12 PM »
To hit 200,000,000 infections, ugh, it would be bad, even if magically the mortality rate were 0.1%.

I still think there is something happening we are not yet seeing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5799 on: June 24, 2020, 05:59:41 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 24, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
Really? Cite your work on the "it's not hundreds of thousands of deaths" prediction. We're at almost 125K based upon the most stringent social distancing requirements Americans have endured since the Spanish Flu, in a period of 3 months, and we have *MAYBE* 5% of our population infected by this point.

I've cited mine over the past couple of days, why I believe that reaching herd immunity naturally would have that level of a death toll.

I actually think you were way too conservative on your math.  I can almost guarantee your projections are too low.

The death toll we would rack up before we reach before herd immunity is almost unfathomable.  

I'm really hoping we get a vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5800 on: June 24, 2020, 06:00:02 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 24, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
To hit 200,000,000 infections, ugh, it would be bad, even if magically the mortality rate were 0.1%.

I still think there is something happening we are not yet seeing.


like?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5801 on: June 24, 2020, 06:01:52 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 24, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
My guess is baseball tries to start up and then gets stopped.

CFB - maybe 2% chance of playing a single game.
What are the stages of grief?

Because I'm still in denial, even if I recognize the truth of your statement.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5802 on: June 24, 2020, 06:02:13 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on June 24, 2020, 05:55:20 PM
A lot of people tuned in to see the empty seats.  Once news got out that the arena was more than half empty and the overflow stage was cancelled, it drew just about every liberal in to see the carnage.

I'm pretty moderate, but that was going to be a trainwreck from the start.  They bragged over 1 million people were coming.  To a 19,000 arena.  In Oklahoma.  It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.  Is the campaign manage an Ohio State grad?  :)
No- wether we like him or not- those ratings are through the roof. Funny to see people try to explain it away though.  You have to go pretty far out of your way to stream it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5803 on: June 24, 2020, 06:05:54 PM »
I didn't watch it, and none my friends at the marina watched it. Just sayin'. We just had better things to do.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5804 on: June 24, 2020, 06:10:41 PM »
Sweden did not go "off the rails".  It was worse than most EU countries, but not all.  Several were worse.  I can't explain that.

NY/NJ were hit hard early and now see cases declining.  Why would that be the case?  Distancing alone?

Georgia technically started reopening April 23 and the increase was not seen for five weeks or more.  Was that due to the protests?

Is the virus "weakening" in terms of lethality or are the older people just being better protected?

What percentage of the population has antibodies to this thing now?

How did Germany stay low, and are they now increasing?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5805 on: June 24, 2020, 06:12:13 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 24, 2020, 05:44:09 PM
Really? Cite your work on the "it's not hundreds of thousands of deaths" prediction. We're at almost 125K based upon the most stringent social distancing requirements Americans have endured since the Spanish Flu, in a period of 3 months, and we have *MAYBE* 5% of our population infected by this point.

I've cited mine over the past couple of days, why I believe that reaching herd immunity naturally would have that level of a death toll.

Oh really over how much time,somehow the horrible asp has blown past this humble hamlet.Save your numbers,it's a thing but not worth killing the goose that laid the golden egg.How about the jobs lost the people I know personally are affected.They're suppose to take this shit because others think it's a good idea with cherry picked numbers.We're all gonna die take percautions and don't be push overs.And a lot of toes have been taged with this that weren't.More and more those that got screwed will make the recent unrest look like a pinata party
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5806 on: June 24, 2020, 06:25:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 24, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
Sweden did not go "off the rails".  It was worse than most EU countries, but not all.  Several were worse.  I can't explain that.

NY/NJ were hit hard early and now see cases declining.  Why would that be the case?  Distancing alone?

Georgia technically started reopening April 23 and the increase was not seen for five weeks or more.  Was that due to the protests?

Is the virus "weakening" in terms of lethality or are the older people just being better protected?

What percentage of the population has antibodies to this thing now?

How did Germany stay low, and are they now increasing?
Sweden's new case rate has been climbing for the last month. Their daily death rate per million residents is currently higher than several of the EU countries ahead of them in total deaths/1M, so they're "gaining ground" in the race nobody wants to win.

New York (state) is still getting ~850 new cases/day and 40-50 deaths/day. And this is a state that is barely open. NYC is just barely starting to reopen: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/06/22/partially-reopen-new-york-city-bears-little-resemblance-to-its-former-self-1294113

They're not climbing at the moment. But imagine what they're going to look like in another month or 6 weeks?

You yourself saw Georgia "open" and nothing happened for weeks... I attribute that partly to people being scared at the start of reopening. I attribute it also to people once they got comfortable with reopening being safe so they started shedding mitigation behaviors, and now it's getting close to exploding again. There might be a small protest effect, but I think the most is that people relaxed WAY too much.

What happened is that the entire world took this seriously... for about 2 months. Now they're ready to go back to normal and the virus is loving it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5807 on: June 24, 2020, 06:29:14 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on June 24, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
Oh really over how much time,somehow the horrible asp has blown past this humble hamlet.Save your numbers,it's a thing but not worth killing the goose that laid the golden egg.How about the jobs lost the people I know personally are affected.They're suppose to take this shit because others think it's a good idea with cherry picked numbers.We're all gonna die take percautions and don't be push overs.And a lot of toes have been taged with this that weren't.More and more those that got screwed will make the recent unrest look like a pinata party
Stop changing the subject.

Every time I say "numbers" you say "so you want the world to shut down forever??", and that's not the case. I have been saying for WEEKS that we need to be reopening and we're not putting that genie back in the bottle. But people need to keep distancing, wearing masks, and not being morons about it. 

So it's 125K over three months. Are you saying that, perhaps, 300K more by Mar 31, 2021 is outside the realm of possibility if people don't be smart about this?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5808 on: June 24, 2020, 06:31:19 PM »
The virus isn't loving it people who don't give a shit about others taking numbers that have been pulled from irresponsible backsides
Control information - and you control perception. The truth is - COVID19 has not killed even a fraction of people the original projections said it would and falls within the range of normal influenza virus.. MOST of the deaths that did occur (75 - 80%) are people 65 or older. And MOST of the deaths that occur within remaining 20% are people whose health was already severely compromised. For this the economy is shut down, livelihoods are lost, children are dying in hospitals alone because their parents can't visit them, surgeries postponed, domestic violence and suicides are

skyrocketing, and I just heard yesterday on PBS (haven't checked this out or sourced yet) - that 80% of all independently owned restaurants will never open again. I posted the above quote by Dr. Paul - not to dispute the efficacy of wearing masks - but because I trust the man - and it encapsulated my sentiments, for the most part. WHO and the CDC are controlled by big pharma. Bill Gates is now the biggest contributor to WHO - and has massive ties to Fauci and Burkes. No one is talking about vitamin C or D or zinc. It's just about mandating a vaccine for a virus that has yet to be isolated and purified.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5809 on: June 24, 2020, 06:34:23 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 24, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
I didn't watch it, and none my friends at the marina watched it. Just sayin'. We just had better things to do.
Well they didn’t brag about getting a million people there, contrary to what XiNN says.  The bragged about having a million on line inquiries. And afterwards, many came forward and lamented that they went to get tickets online - but couldn’t.  Lol- outsmarted by TikTok.  
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