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Mdot21

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4508 on: May 29, 2020, 06:55:29 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 29, 2020, 06:45:37 PM
In the USA back in the day deservedly so - IMO
I don't know about that.

The FBI basically ignored the mafia under J Edgar. Some even say they had a deal with the FBI to look the other way. And the abuse of the law and spying power under J Edgar were mind blowing.

And what about the Kennedy assassination. Why was so much sealed and documents not released until 50+ years after his death.

Gulf of Tonkin incident which was faked to push the US into Vietnam War. Pentagon Papers revealing this and all other kinds of atrocities.

Yeah, I think there were tons of reasons not to trust the government even back then.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4509 on: May 29, 2020, 07:02:13 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 06:48:30 PM
Yeah, this is pretty much true and sad. I know a lot of people who root for Republicans no matter what and root for Democrats no matter what. Makes zero sense to me.

I also think we have very few politicians left that have to answer to both sides.  I blame gerrymandering for much of it.  If you've gerrymandered well enough, than you only care about your party if you want to be re-elected.  That usually means you shift to the extremes, because extremists tend to win primaries.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4510 on: May 29, 2020, 07:03:05 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
Same guidelines apply to COVID deaths as apply to Flu deaths.  Are we comparing or not?
There were hardly any concrete covid guidelines in february and one physician i know said people were demanding panic appointments for ridiculous things.Too many sources have said covid is getting the attention when it's not the culprit or killer even if it's present.Who the hell is sticking to exact guidelines in your perfect universe.From doctor to doctor,hospital to hospital,state to state,you really think there is remotely any consistency across those sectors?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4511 on: May 29, 2020, 07:04:37 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
I don't know about that.

The FBI basically ignored the mafia under J Edgar. Some even say they had a deal with the FBI to look the other way. And the abuse of the law and spying power under J Edgar were mind blowing.

And what about the Kennedy assassination. Why was so much sealed and documents not released until 50+ years after his death.

Gulf of Tonkin incident which was faked to push the US into Vietnam War. Pentagon Papers revealing this and all other kinds of atrocities.

Yeah, I think there were tons of reasons not to trust the government even back then.
I agree.

This is flying under the radar, but it is pretty scary...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jgxxvk/senate-votes-to-allow-fbi-to-look-at-your-web-browsing-history-without-a-warrant

I can't imagine that EVER being abused, eh?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4512 on: May 29, 2020, 07:11:36 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 07:04:37 PM
I agree.

This is flying under the radar, but it is pretty scary...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jgxxvk/senate-votes-to-allow-fbi-to-look-at-your-web-browsing-history-without-a-warrant

I can't imagine that EVER being abused, eh?
Yeah, I wrote about this one of my drone on long rage posts in this thread a few pages back.

It is absolutely infuriating. And it failed by one vote. Guess who wasn't there to vote? Bernie Sanders. The revolutionary! Dude is the lamest revolutionary I've ever seen. I haven't seen anyone sell out faster in the history of politics than Bernie Sanders has. I've lost so much respect for him. He did nothing to push back on any of the disastrous corona-virus relief bills. Really kind hurt me, because I felt duped. I thought he was different. Turns out he's not. He had so many opportunities to take the gloves off and go after Biden on legit issues that Biden is truly awful on- and he never once did. "Joe Biden is my friend! Joe can beat Trump". Is that what you say when you really want to win an election? I mean, come on man. You have to give people a reason to vote for you, you have to tell people this other mofo can't beat Trump but I can. His record on x,y,z is horrendous.

At the very least I expected Bernie to vote on that amendment and to limit the spying powers of the security state. Absolutely gut-wrenching he was a no-show and didn't vote no.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4513 on: May 29, 2020, 07:14:14 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 29, 2020, 07:03:05 PM
There were hardly any concrete covid guidelines in february and one physician i know said people were demanding panic appointments for ridiculous things.Too many sources have said covid is getting the attention when it's not the culprit or killer even if it's present.Who the hell is sticking to exact guidelines in your perfect universe
As a data guy-

Data points are messy, but the more we collect, the more accurate we become.

Outliers exist in every direction, and tend to even themselves out.

With that said:  Overwhelming evidence suggests that the numbers are worse than they appear.  

Besides, who would fudge the numbers?  Why would they do this?  How many people would be involved for this to happen globally?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4514 on: May 29, 2020, 07:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
Yeah, I wrote about this one of my drone on long rage posts in this thread a few pages back.

It is absolutely infuriating. And it failed by one vote. Guess who wasn't there to vote? Bernie Sanders. The revolutionary! Dude is the lamest revolutionary I've ever seen. I haven't seen anyone sell out faster in the history of politics than Bernie Sanders has. I've lost so much respect for him. He did nothing to push back on any of the disastrous corona-virus relief bills. Really kind hurt me, because I felt duped. I thought he was different. Turns out he's not. He had so many opportunities to take the gloves off and go after Biden on legit issues that Biden is truly awful on- and he never once did. "Joe Biden is my friend! Joe can beat Trump". Is that what you say when you really want to win an election? I mean, come on man. You have to give people a reason to vote for you, you have to tell people this other mofo can't beat Trump but I can. His record on x,y,z is horrendous.

At the very least I expected Bernie to vote on that amendment and to limit the spying powers of the security state. Absolutely gut-wrenching he was a no-show and didn't vote no.
I find myself much more on edge these days.  Being stuck at home is really wearing on me.  Normally I'd be super busy and traveling like crazy. 

It's a constant battle to keep sane.  

Much like watching Penn State-Iowa, actually...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4515 on: May 29, 2020, 07:34:06 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 07:14:14 PM
As a data guy-

Data points are messy, but the more we collect, the more accurate we become.

Outliers exist in every direction, and tend to even themselves out.

With that said:  Overwhelming evidence suggests that the numbers are worse than they appear. 

Besides, who would fudge the numbers?  Why would they do this?  How many people would be involved for this to happen globally?
I don't think anyone with a conscientious would fudge the numbers.There are inaqccuracies or misunderstandings and I'm a reality guy of the here and now and collect info from my frame reference.And the click bait is really a thing many foreign governments Iran/China/Russia will disguise/mislead/confuse media outlets anyway they can
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4516 on: May 29, 2020, 07:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 29, 2020, 07:04:37 PM
I agree.

This is flying under the radar, but it is pretty scary...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jgxxvk/senate-votes-to-allow-fbi-to-look-at-your-web-browsing-history-without-a-warrant

I can't imagine that EVER being abused, eh?
10 years ago that would piss me off to no end and would seek a referendum anyway possible.Then it occured to me that's it's already been going on for much longer than that unfortunately.But they can't find us as we are in Area 51,so we have that going for us
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4517 on: May 29, 2020, 07:44:55 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on May 29, 2020, 06:35:49 PM
It started a hundred years before Clinton.
maybe 150
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4518 on: May 29, 2020, 07:48:09 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 06:48:30 PM
Yeah, this is pretty much true and sad. I know a lot of people who root for Republicans no matter what and root for Democrats no matter what. Makes zero sense to me.
those folks are idiots and sheep
these are the folks politicians love
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4519 on: May 29, 2020, 07:53:03 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 29, 2020, 07:11:36 PM
Yeah, I wrote about this one of my drone on long rage posts in this thread a few pages back.

It is absolutely infuriating. And it failed by one vote. Guess who wasn't there to vote? Bernie Sanders. The revolutionary! Dude is the lamest revolutionary I've ever seen. I haven't seen anyone sell out faster in the history of politics than Bernie Sanders has. I've lost so much respect for him. He did nothing to push back on any of the disastrous corona-virus relief bills. Really kind hurt me, because I felt duped. I thought he was different. Turns out he's not. He had so many opportunities to take the gloves off and go after Biden on legit issues that Biden is truly awful on- and he never once did. "Joe Biden is my friend! Joe can beat Trump". Is that what you say when you really want to win an election? I mean, come on man. You have to give people a reason to vote for you, you have to tell people this other mofo can't beat Trump but I can. His record on x,y,z is horrendous.

At the very least I expected Bernie to vote on that amendment and to limit the spying powers of the security state. Absolutely gut-wrenching he was a no-show and didn't vote no.
Bernie's as big a career politician as there is.  His only full-time jobs ever have been holding elected office.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4520 on: May 29, 2020, 07:56:05 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4521 on: May 29, 2020, 08:00:25 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 29, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
I don't think anyone with a conscientious would fudge the numbers.There are inaqccuracies or misunderstandings and I'm a reality guy of the here and now and collect info from my frame reference.And the click bait is really a thing many foreign governments Iran/China/Russia will disguise/mislead/confuse media outlets anyway they can
I don't trust their data, either.

Got lots of other data to pick from though.
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