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utee94 · « **Reply #3402 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:11:17 PM »

Perhaps if the federal and state governments had sold the lockdowns as necessary to eradicate the disease, rather than a means to flatten the curve specifically to avoid overloading the hospitals, people would be more willing to remain isolated.

But people are looking around at empty hospitals, seeing nurses and staffers actually getting laid off due to lack of need, and thinking to themselves-- well, I guess we did it. We flattened the curve and didn't overwhelm the hospitals. Job well done.

If eradicating the virus by preventing ALL spread, for all of eternity, was the goal, then they probably should have stated that at the outset. Americans are goal-driven, and outside of hotspots like New York, the goal has been achieved.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3403 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:14:45 PM »

My concern is whether we hold immunity for any period of time. If not ...

utee94 · « **Reply #3404 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:16:27 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 04, 2020, 01:14:45 PM

My concern is whether we hold immunity for any period of time. If not ...

If not then there's no point to any of this really. Get on with life, because the disease is going to do what it will regardless of our actions.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #3405 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:23:16 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on May 04, 2020, 12:31:04 PM

It doesn't matter what the plan is if it isn't followed... And it's not being followed.

The links I posted:

Local restaurant (and other businesses) are opening in contravention of the orders. They're basically saying "I dare you to shut us down."
Moron protestors, 2-3000 of them, standing around together mostly without masks or any protective gear protesting a BEACH shutdown of all things... This isn't about economics, it's about leisure at the beach. A week after thousands and thousands swarmed the beaches.
Additional moron protestors.
Link to Apple data which suggests (based on the number of people asking for directions on their phones) that people have frankly tired of the lockdown and they're returning to being out and about.
Additional data showing that after a peak of people actually following stay-at-home on April 12, they've gradually gotten less and less willing to do so and have gotten almost halfway back to pre-restriction behavior.
A story about how COVID-19, which should have been a wake-up call to ALL of us that we're in this together, has become a political football being defined down partisan lines.

So if we're not, as Americans, actually going to follow the rules, why have them?

so your not against reopening if done right
youre just against people not following the reopening rules
is that it

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #3406 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:49:28 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 04, 2020, 01:23:16 PM

so your not against reopening if done right
youre just against people not following the reopening rules
is that it

I actually think, given that we have "flattened the curve" and avoided overload of the health care system, that a controlled and careful reopening SHOULD happen, and it should happen soon if not immediately. Even here in California.

I just see the people who are basically taking it upon themselves to reopen, to take [and make their customers take] basically no precautions whatsoever, and I think I'm not wrong in calling some of those people and their customers selfish assholes. And I'm angry at them.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3407 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:51:42 PM »

Imagine that the median intelligence in the US is an IQ of 100 (whatever IQ means) and a good percentage of the country has an IQ less than 90, maybe most of us included, I don't know.

We do send nearly 70% of HS grads to college.

This is a funny place to live.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #3408 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:52:16 PM »

Florida is in phase 1 starting today, except for Dade, Broward and Palm Beach. Here are some excerpts.

Opening up will be:

State Parks
Elective surgery
Restaurants (25% capacity indoor, 6' spacing outdoor, no bar seating)
Retail stores (25% capacity)
Museums (25 % capacity)

Staying shut:

Bars where 50% or more revenue is booze
Gyms
Movie Theaters
Salons / Barbers
Vacation rentals

utee94 · « **Reply #3409 on:** May 04, 2020, 01:57:23 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 04, 2020, 01:52:16 PM

Florida is in phase 1 starting today, except for Dade, Broward and Palm Beach. Here are some excerpts.

Opening up will be:

State Parks
Elective surgery
Restaurants (25% capacity indoor, 6' spacing outdoor, no bar seating)
Retail stores (25% capacity)
Museums (25 % capacity)

Staying shut:

Bars where 50% or more revenue is booze
Gyms
Movie Theaters
Salons / Barbers
Vacation rentals

Yup, that's almost exactly the same as Texas.

Except our state parks are only open for day use right now though, no camping.

Which sucks because I'd probably have just been working from my favorite state park for the past month if it were open. I can work from anywhere, kids can do online school from anywhere, and my wife isn't working so no issues there.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #3410 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:05:13 PM »

They need to open one of a Library,Bar or Race Track lest I lose it

FearlessF · « **Reply #3411 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:29:47 PM »

you mean a bar?

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #3412 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:36:09 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 04, 2020, 12:51:12 PM

It is also true that we can't stay closed for months and months, the economy would simply collapse, it may collapse any way. I'm talking starvation level collapse and hyperinflation, a bad scene. Right now we're floating long on fiat money giveaways and people not being forced to pay rent. At some point, the folks producing food will stop producing because they can't sell and get food to a market anywhere or money has no value and we're bartering.

It's already happening.

Healthy pigs being killed as meatpacking backlog hits farms

FearlessF · « **Reply #3413 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:39:36 PM »

I was offered a hog for $125 this weekend

my freezer is full

I'd have to butcher it myself or with friends. But, I've done that before. When I was younger.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #3414 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:43:19 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on May 04, 2020, 01:11:17 PM

Perhaps if the federal and state governments had sold the lockdowns as necessary to eradicate the disease, rather than a means to flatten the curve specifically to avoid overloading the hospitals, people would be more willing to remain isolated.

But people are looking around at empty hospitals, seeing nurses and staffers actually getting laid off due to lack of need, and thinking to themselves-- well, I guess we did it. We flattened the curve and didn't overwhelm the hospitals. Job well done.

If eradicating the virus by preventing ALL spread, for all of eternity, was the goal, then they probably should have stated that at the outset. Americans are goal-driven, and outside of hotspots like New York, the goal has been achieved.

Exactly. The government has been sending mixed messages about this thing from the start. We were told that there would be millions of American's dying from the virus and the hospitals would be overrun. We had to shut down for a short time to prevent this from happening, so we did.

Then after we pretty much came to a standstill, millions being laid off, small business closing, now they move the goal posts. Now we have to stay under our beds in fear until we have a vaccine that could take over a year to develop. Those of us paying attention said NO! We did what you asked and it's time to go back to work. Sure some will get it and a few may die. But that happens everyday with all sorts of preventable causes. We could almost eliminate automobile deaths if we just lower the speed limit to 5 mph. Why not?

The fact is that there is always risk. Just waking up every morning puts you at risk for all kinds of problems. We will NEVER eradicate risks in our lives. We cannot hide forever in our homes hoping not to get sick. Someone has to work to put food or our plates and a roof over our heads. And in so doing, there will be risks. We just need to learn to live our lives in spite of the risks.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #3415 on:** May 04, 2020, 02:48:00 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on May 04, 2020, 01:49:28 PM

I actually think, given that we have "flattened the curve" and avoided overload of the health care system, that a controlled and careful reopening SHOULD happen, and it should happen soon if not immediately. Even here in California.

I just see the people who are basically taking it upon themselves to reopen, to take [and make their customers take] basically no precautions whatsoever, and I think I'm not wrong in calling some of those people and their customers selfish assholes. And I'm angry at them.

And I don't know your specific situation, but I am pretty sure you are still getting a paycheck. There are many people out there that are NOT getting paid, trying to figure out how they are going to pay the rent, utilities and put food on the table while looking at employment prospects and competing with 21 million others doing the same.

Also, there are those of us that live in areas that have a few cases of the virus, but have bigger issues with people committing suicide because they can't cope with it. Or those that need to see a doctor for other than Covid reasons, but are told to wait it out at home. Are those people assholes too?

Again, I don't know your situation, but not everyone shares your situation either. Don't blame those that have needs different than yours. Especially since the stated goad of the shut down has been accomplished.

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