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I think in a political context, it's actually more meaningless than in a football context, and that's saying something. 

It does inspire some strong emotions, which makes it good for misdirection. 

Here's what they say about how deadly it is:



Note that if you add in the stay-at-home deaths (according to worldometers.info):



So it's somewhere between 5 to 8 times deadlier than the flu, and believed to be more transmissible to boot.

Again, let's assume you get to 2009 H1N1 numbers, estimated at 60M cases nationwide. 0.5% to 0.78% gives you a total death range of 300K-468K.

So your source, the Apple News article, suggests this thing is WAY more deadly than most of what we've dealt with in the past.

As I said several days ago, due to uncounted cases I thought it was <1% and that we didn't have any strong evidence it was less than 0.3%. But given the numbers coming from NY, I'd say it justifies some pretty significant action.

The 21,000 estimate is for the entire state not just NYC while the test of 3000 is in NYC
at minimum much more testing is required before saying the virus is 5 to 8 times greater then the flu

I think they will find that in fact this virus has a lower death rate then the flu

When is it when we will all be tested? It's coming at some point, no?

I THINK it is far more likely that perhaps 2-3-4% random population is tested for antibodies as well as for the infection and conclusions can be drawn from that.

Testing for infection should probably be limited to certain occupations because you can be negative one day and positive the next.

I guess the reason Lincoln suspended this is there was alot of shady characters(or political enemies) hiding in the gray area.Basically he out schemed the schemers

Well, there were some outright Confederate agents working in the border states, especially Maryland.  But along with those, he jailed some people who were just opposed to the war, or the way it was being fought, and said so loudly.  There were the "Peace Democrats," called "Copperheads," who were especially strong in Ohio, BTW, from which state came two congressmen who were key leaders, Clement Vallandingham and Alexander Long.
The controversy about Lincoln suspending habeas corpus is that the Constitution gives that power to Congress.  Congress was not in session when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in parts of Maryland, so Lincoln did it by executive order, believing (correctly) that Congress would sustain his action once it came back into session.

The 21,000 estimate is for the entire state not just NYC while the test of 3000 is in NYC
at minimum much more testing is required before saying the virus is 5 to 8 times greater then the flu

I think they will find that in fact this virus has a lower death rate then the flu

Why exactly? 

And I don't mean that in a combative sense. I mean, is there a more solid underpinning for that belief that I should be looking at? 

I think they will find that in fact this virus has a lower death rate then the flu

Not a chance. Flu is about 0.1%. Literally EVERYTHING we know about this, so far, suggests it's well above that.

There were a lot of people that lost their minds about the WHO saying 3.4% based on confirmed cases, but anyone paying attention knew that missed the uncounted cases and the real rate would be much lower. Heck, right now the death rate based on confirmed cases in the US is 5.66%. Bear in mind that's undoubtedly low, because the rate of new confirmed cases is high and it takes some patients a while to die, so the death rate based on TODAY's confirmed cases will grow.

But literally if you take the max upper bound of the Santa Clara study, which said that it was 28x to 55x actual infections compared to confirmed case rates, the MINIMUM extrapolation is 0.1%. If you take the New York study that suggests a 10x rate, you're looking at .56%. 

If this comes in anywhere near, much less below, the flu, I'll be shocked.

I think that's just an approximation of the political meaning.

Well, I still like John Kass. He goes after everyone from time to time, and always defends "the little guy".