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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2632 on: April 23, 2020, 12:52:02 PM »
Trees are great, but they also pollute the air with hydrocarbons like isoprene.  These interact with sunlight and oxygen and form low level ozone.

This is why the Blue Ridge mountains appear to be blue.

Isoprene, incidentally, is the primary component of most rubbers, like tire rubber.  And there is a kind of tree that produces rubber, from isoprene.

All the terpenes in pine trees start with isoprene.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2633 on: April 23, 2020, 12:57:07 PM »
Perhaps but doesn't carbon monoxide in what ever amount work it's way up to the OZONE/atmosphere?I had read where motor vehicles produce half the of the carbon monoxide and nitrogen something or other dispenced into it.So nipping it in the bud would be important everywhere.Take care of the trees,have 4 of them around my house and the arborist said they are in fine shape 😎 .We've lived peacably together for over 20 yrs together.
Sure. There are certain pollutants for which the harm can't be localized. 

So you try to implement policies that make sense for the sort of harm that you're trying to prevent without creating an undue burden elsewhere.

The issue of air quality in urban/suburban areas [smog, particulates, and the like] is concentrated enough that if, say, 5% of the automobiles are poorly maintained and polluting it would create such terrible air quality that it is not an undue burden to test those cars. But if 5% of the automobiles in Wyoming are poorly maintained and polluting there's not enough of them nor enough population density to matter.

If we do back of the envelope math and assume 1 car per person (not accurate, of course), 5% of the cars in the Los Angeles metropolitan area would be greater than the entire number of cars in Wyoming, and packed into a MUCH more limited geographic space. 

For diffuse pollutants such as CO, perhaps, it makes more sense to tackle that through national standards on how much new automobiles can pollute. You're still controlling it, and it's still a burden, but it may not require a national infrastructure to religiously test all automobiles. And you know that since the various urban/suburban areas (which already ~80% of the population) are getting regular tests because of their local air quality standards, you're essentially catching most of the existing cars on the road anyway so you've solved most of the problem. You're allowing the local solution for air quality standards to solve the bulk of the problem without unduly burdening the rural areas.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2634 on: April 23, 2020, 12:59:06 PM »
Trees are great, but they also pollute the air with hydrocarbons like isoprene.  These interact with sunlight and oxygen and form low level ozone.

Get a hammock and a Hudepohl
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2636 on: April 23, 2020, 01:04:55 PM »
didn't some guy in China try to kill ALL the birds for the public good a while back?

I know I read somewhere that bats aren't evil and should be allowed to live, but...........
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2637 on: April 23, 2020, 01:08:03 PM »
The models predict Sweden will overwhelm their hospital capacity in about a month.

I think the Swedes are distancing more than the model is allowing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2638 on: April 23, 2020, 01:14:25 PM »
didn't some guy in China try to kill ALL the birds for the public good a while back?

I know I read somewhere that bats aren't evil and should be allowed to live, but...........
We have a large bat population in Austin, I've read that it's the largest urban bat colony in North America at an estimated 1.5M.

As far as I know, nobody around here attempts to eat them.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2639 on: April 23, 2020, 01:17:44 PM »
I’ve worn a mask out a couple times. I find them to be a huge pain in the ass.  I’m constantly readjusting it.  My hands are around my face much more when I wear a mask than when I don’t.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2640 on: April 23, 2020, 01:18:46 PM »
The models predict Sweden will overwhelm their hospital capacity in about a month.

I think the Swedes are distancing more than the model is allowing.
Getting back to the logic for a government "stay at home" order, I think it makes sense to look at national trends...

In Sweden, people have trust in their government. The Swedish government basically said "work from home if you can, vulnerable populations should stay secluded, no large gatherings are allowed, try to social distance from each other, be safe, and take this seriously, but we're not going to mandate business closures or stay-at-home orders."

To a large extent, Swedes followed the guideline. They voluntarily took many of the actions that the government might have mandated because their government said they should.

That's, uh... Not exactly how it would occur in America. We actively distrust our government. Sometimes Americans need a sort of whack upside the head. If the government had just "suggested" we social distance, do you really think anyone here would have taken it seriously? I personally don't. Right now the government IS mandating it and a lot of people aren't taking it seriously. 

I think the government mandates were a sort of whack upside the head to give us all a mental "reset" that this isn't a joke. Which--if Sweden's experience remains good--gives us a blueprint for starting to reopen the economy. 

If the messaging is right, i.e. "we're going to slowly and carefully re-open, but you all still need to be vigilant or this will get out of control", I think people will follow that messaging much more readily than if America has followed Sweden's messaging from the start. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2641 on: April 23, 2020, 01:20:09 PM »
If you have a landline phone, you are paying a tax that was created as an emergency measure to pay for the Spanish-American War.
We haven't had one since about 2005. I got rid of my office phone about 3-4 years ago too. Nobody ever called on that line.

People always used my cell anyway, as I've had the same cell phone number since 1996.

That number's area code is 847. Random factoid and not a coincidence. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2642 on: April 23, 2020, 01:22:15 PM »
You know there is no legal mandate for Americans to social distance, right?  It's advisory only.

Nobody gets arrested for being within 6 feet of someone else.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2643 on: April 23, 2020, 01:28:23 PM »
You know there is no legal mandate for Americans to social distance, right?  It's advisory only.

Nobody gets arrested for being within 6 feet of someone else.
Don't come to Chicago. Not that you would anyway. The restaurants are closed and that is the only reason to visit.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2644 on: April 23, 2020, 01:29:40 PM »
We went to Chicago about 5 years ago because the wife had to visit a French consulate for something.  Now, there is one nearby.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2645 on: April 23, 2020, 01:32:18 PM »
Don't come to Chicago. Not that you would anyway. The restaurants are closed and that is the only reason to visit.
I don't know, I saw a Cubs game and really enjoyed that.   Of course, Cubs games are closed now, too, so...

 

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